Talk:Sutlej

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Untitled[edit]

Undid a revision on the page, which introduced a speculative paragraph by the following IP 216.203.18.236 SiegerKranzMeer 04:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed rename[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --rgpk (comment) 02:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Sutlej RiverSutlej – I propose that the page be moved to Sutlej, because Sutlej seems to primarily refer to the river Sutlej. See Talk:Kaveri#Proposed rename for a similar move performed. Lynch7 07:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Source of Sutlej discussion[edit]

This article presently states that the source of the Sutlej is near (lake) Rakshastal and near Mount Kailash, however the map attached to this article [1] in the journal of Himalayan Club [2] shows a more distal source at the terminus of Ganglung Glacier just NW of the Sutlej's triple divide with the Yarlung Tsangpo/Brahmaputra and Karnali at 30.32964N, 82.01128E on the Tibet-Nepal border. [3]. If accepted rules are followed to define a River source, this would seem to be a more definitive source for the river. Comments? LADave (talk) 18:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

  • If you read the wikipedia article on Lake Rakshastal sourced from the book Manasarovar on the Rugged Road to Revelation, it is mentioned that the river Sutlej originates from the NW tip of Lake Rakshastal. If the source of Sutlej is to be believed near the Ganglung Glacier (shown in the map attached by you), then Sutlej should be that link between Lake Rakshastal and Lake Manasarovar, but in fact that link is called Ganga Chhu. The satellite image of the area also shows that the lakes of Rakshastal and Manasarovar are fed by numerous similarly sized tributaries from all directions. Therefore only the lake Rakshastal can be established as the definite source of river Sutlej.Sanyambahga (talk) 06:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Sanyambahga - Rakshastal may be a traditional source, but can't be the geographic source according to the logic of River source. Then the source cannot be Rakshastal as long as the lake has tributaries. Furthermore the fact that the channel from Manasarovar goes by another name -- Ganga Chhu -- doesn't exclude it per se. Not even the fact that this channel is ephemeral excludes it. The source probably needs to be the longest tributary above Rakshastal, not the largest in volume. It could include tributaries to Manasarovar provided they are longer than direct tributaries to Rakshastal. LADave (talk) 07:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I don't have any information on this subject. - Chandan Guha (talk) 12:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Quoting River source, "The source or headwaters of a river or stream is the furthest place in that river or stream from its estuary or confluence with another river, as measured along the course of the river." So the fact that the channel goes by another name (Ganga Chuu, not Sutlej) does exclude it, in my opinion. Note especially the words, "in that river". This is not so much an issue of physical geography as of culture, how rivers are named locally. 172.56.26.222 (talk) 00:22, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed rename[edit]

I've proposed renaming this article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers § Rivers of India naming. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Neutrality[edit]

"Contrary to the claims of Punjab state in India, a small part of Panchkula district in Haryana state is part of the Sutlej river basin area." This statement makes Wikipedia appear to have decided a dispute in favor of one side. 172.56.27.190 (talk) 00:40, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

There is no breach of neutrality as Punjab state itself is asking Supreme court to decide the riparian status of Rajasthan, Haryana, etc.[1] It gives only the factual data from an authentic reference (also refer Google earth maps) without any conclusions (biased or unbiased).

Haryana is a riparian state ( also Chandigarh UT ) of Sutlej / Indus river basin as the north western area of Panchakula district in Haryana is drained by streams which are joining Sutlej river in Punjab. It is immaterial how much big area of a state / country is part of a river basin for a riparian state to claim its full water needs subject to other water resources availability in a state as per Helsinki international water law / equitable water allocation principles. Area of the river basin criteria is one out of 10 issues to be considered while finalising the water allocations.

Though Rajasthan is not a riparian state of Indus basin, it is getting water due to other technical reason. 100% water available in a river basin can not be utilised as the dissolved salts in the water would build up making available water quality unfit for agriculture due to high salinity and alkalinity. Suppose Punjab is using all the waters and not letting any water to downstream Pakistan or Rajasthan, the ground water and river water would be of high salinity and alkalinity which is unfit for irrigation. Under Indus Waters Treaty, all the waters of Ravi, Beas and Sutlej available in India are allocated for use by India. Instead of sending water to Pakistan (at least 20% of primary water available in the river basin to prevent basin closer), Punjab is sending water to Rajastan Nahar Project located outside the river basin in order to keep the water quality deterioration in acceptable limits in its territory. Refer Interstate River Water Disputes Act for more data.

Few decades back water logging (high water table) was major problem in Punjab but now it is depletion of ground water table and water salinity/alkalinity are major problems. In fact, Punjab is over exploiting the ground water drawing ground water from the adjacent Pakistan area (where saline water logging is major problem) and sending more salt load in to Rajasthan state.

Pakistan is facing severe saline water logging problem as it has harnessed all the water available in the Indus river. Basin closer of Indus river has occurred as Indus river water is not joining the sea except during severe floods. To mitigate salinity problem in Pakistan, 500 km long Left Bank Outfall Drain (LBOD) is constructed to divert the saline irrigation drain water not to join the downstream river and to join the sea via Great Rann of Kutch. Similarly Right Bank Outfall Drain (RBOD) is constructed to route the saline water generated on the right bank side area of the Indus river in Pakistan. Strictly speaking Gujarat state is also last riparian state of Indus river basin as the Indus flood water is passing through Rann of Kutch. Refer Great Rann of Kutch for more data.

Punjab has not allowed the construction of the Sutlej Yamuna Link (SYL) canal in its territory to stop Sutlej river water further transfer to Haryana. The SYL canal lying in Haryana was completed but idling for want of water from the Sutlej River. If Haryana is interested in getting its water share as per the valid agreements (to be decided by SC), it can construct the remaining canal via Himachal Pradesh area bypassing Punjab area totally by tapping water directly from the Bhakra Nangal reservoir located in Himachal Pradesh. The Minimum draw down level of Bhakra Nangal reservoir and the topography in Himachal and Haryana states is suitable for the gravity link to SYL canal in Haryana (refer Google earth) with the return of expenditure with interest on infinished SYL canal in Punjab as offered by Punjab govt.[2]183.82.199.109 (talk) 11:37, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Canal proposal[edit]

I'm not sure how to do it, but it seems to me that the discussion of the canal proposal deserves a section of its own, beneath the table of contents. 172.56.26.223 (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

It seems to me that the Narmada would be a better choice for crossing the Indian subcontinent. 172.56.27.245 (talk) 05:41, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Sut-[edit]

I assume the second syllable of Sutlej is pronounced like the word, "ledge", but have no idea whether the first syllable is pronounced with the u-sound of "put" or "but", or the long oo sound of "toot". (Incidentally, I find the IPA baffling, so I'd prefer a simpler hint.) 172.56.27.235 (talk) 01:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

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