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Good article Svetlana Kuznetsova has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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March 20, 2011 Good article nominee Not listed
June 24, 2011 Good article nominee Not listed
September 15, 2011 Peer review Reviewed
June 13, 2012 Good article nominee Not listed
June 27, 2012 Good article nominee Listed
Current status: Good article

Untitled[edit]

We need a picture.

I've added the reqphoto template. BTW do you think the stub notice is still necessary? --Kompik 17:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Svetlana[edit]

What is the patch on Svetlana's stomach???

what patch???-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation[edit]

I added pronunciation. I hear Kuznetsova so often mispronounced as KuznEtsova, so I thought I need to make people aware - its' "KuznetsOva". If you want rephrase it, it's OK with me. --Atitarev (talk) 05:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for wider input on discussion at WikiProject Tennis[edit]

There is a long, ongoing discussion at WP:Tennis about the tournament tables found in tennis articles on English-language Wikipedia (e.g., this type of table). The discussion is about whether the "official sponsored name" of a tournament - such as Pacific Life Open - or another tournament name without the sponsor - such as Indian Wells Masters - must be used in those articles. Please join the discussion here. Thanks. Tennis expert (talk) 09:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Doubles[edit]

Her doubles performance at the bottom needs to be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.172.78 (talk) 20:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Transliteration note[edit]

This may need help from someone familiar with romanised Russian, but I'm 99% sure that Cyrillic [кс] is invariably transliterated as /ks/ because of the phoneme by phoneme/grapheme by grapheme structure. The system of using /x/ in English tends to happen as a result of English as a language having adopted the name of a certain person/place, in which case it is further Anglicised with additional features. Svetlana's full name has not filtered into English as such and therefore I believe that her middle name should be presented as: Aleksandrovna. I may be totally mistaken and Russian may well use /x/ on all [кс] transcriptions; I know that this is not the case with Macedonian/Serbian, nor with Bulgarian, all the mentioned produce such names as Aleksandra and Roksanda, with words such as taksi. Evlekis (talk) 10:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Svetlana Kuznetsova/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 12:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: none found.

Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    I made some minor copy-edits.
    Large portions of the career section appear to be copied or closely paraphrased from {http://svetlanakuznetsova.ru/en/biography-en} which is used as reference #4. This looks like a WP:COPYVIO and needs to be addressed immediately. As such a large portion of the article is affected, I shall quick fail this nomination. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    Quickfailed as per above. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Report to WP:Copyright problems[edit]

I've just been looking into whether this might be a backwards copy, as the source struck me as being written in Wikipedia style and format. Looking through the history, the source seems similar to a late 2010 version of the article and covers up to the end of 2010. I've only looked at the family life section in detail so far but it seems to have gradually evolved, suggested at WP:CPAA as an indication of a backwards copy.

Earlier and much shorter versions of the article contain some of the same text as the source, and the history shows additions at various different times. This edit from 2004 when the article was a stub introduces the start of the section, copyedited here in 2006 to much the same wording the source has. "Kuznetsova also tried out cycling in her early years, but it bored her..." was added here in 2005, age she went to Spain was changed fron 15 to the current 13 in 2007.

There are no archived versions of the site in archive.org so the site may be recent. January (talk) 21:50, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I contacted the admin of this site. He will tell me whether it is self-written or from Wikipedia copied.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 16:42, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Svetlana Kuznetsova/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Philcha (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, GreatOrangePumpkin. I'll mark Green tickY comments when I think they're resolved, highlight Red XN any that are unresolved when most others are done, and strike out any of comments that I later decide are mistaken. I'll sign each of my comments, so we can see who said what - please do the same.

I'll mark the review {{inuse}} when I'm working on it, as edit conflicts are frustrating. If you think I've forgotten to remove {{inuse}}, please leave a message at my Talk page. Please free to use {{inuse}} with your own signature when you're working.

I'll read the article through first, then give comments. --Philcha (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Coverage[edit]

  • You need a section about SK's style, strengths and weaknesses, and any efforts to minimise the weaknesses. --Philcha (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY Are there any medical or physical problems that impact her play and results, either short- or long-term. The obvious example is Pete Sampras' thalassemia minor, which influenced his "kill 'em quick" style and limited his performances at the French Open. --Philcha (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks for looking. --Philcha (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Green tickY Have there been any breaks in SK's career, for medical / physical reasons or relationships or other reasons? --Philcha (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Relationship - romances, friendships, coaches, etc. Perhaps these items could go in a section after the results, and the break between between this and "Personal life" (which I'd retitle "Early life") could be when SK went to Spain. The current "Off-Court" section could have another sub-section for relationships. "--Philcha (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • The catalogue of results becomes relentless. I'd prefer to see only the significant ones in this article, and the full catalogue in a List, something like Pete Sampras career statistics. By "significant" I suggest: reaching semi-finals or better at major junior tournaments such as Junior Wimbledon; a lot of the first 2 years of the pro career, where she's climbing the rankings; wins against opponents much higher in the rankings; eventually only matches in major tournaments (e.g. at least 4 opponents in the top 10) against 10 top players; any slumps and recoveries. --Philcha (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Before we finish the review it would be best to see how she goes at Wimbledon 2011 - I appreciate that reviews often do not come at the best times. But there's enough to do in the meantime. --Philcha (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Structure[edit]

Looks mainly OK, subject the comments under "Coverage". --Philcha (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Personal life / Early life[edit]

  • Green tickY You should give SK's full name in the first and at "She began to play tennis ...", as there are lot of other athletic Kuznetsov(a)s in the family. --Philcha
  • Green tickY Please make it clear that Galina Tsareva is also a top cyclist. --Philcha (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

2000: ITF Junior Career[edit]

  • What's "ITF"? Watch out for the DAB page. --Philcha (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Linked where? --Philcha (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Both paras should more concise, as the scores tell the story. E.g. " In the Round of 32 she defeated Katia Altilia from Italy 6–0, 6–4 and then ... but lost ...". If needed, give a wikilink to Tennis scoring. --Philcha (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • I see no signifigant difference. E.g. "Kuznetsova debuted in her first International Tennis Federation (ITF) tournament in Mallorca on January 31. In the Round of 32 she defeated Katia Altilia from Italy in two straight sets, 6–0, 6–4. However, she lost in the quarterfinal to Oana–Elena Golimbioschi, 7–5, 6–1. "How about e.g. "Kuznetsova debuted in January at the International Tennis Federation (ITF) tournament in Mallorca, where she defeated Katia Altilia from Italy 6–0, 6–4, and then Petra Raclavska, but lost in the quarterfinal to Oana–Elena Golimbioschi, 7–5, 6–1." And so on. --Philcha (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY What are the scores like "5–3, 4–2, 4–5(4), 4–2"? Looks like Tennis_scoring#Alternative_Set_Scoring_formats. If you don't to give an explanation in the middle of the main text, you could insert a section "Notes" just above "References". Notes have 2 forms: for automatically numbered Notes, {{#tag:ref|''text, refs, etc.''}}, where each note can be used in only one place; and {{Note}}, where the same Note text can be used in several places, like note [a] at Maevia inclemens. --Philcha (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

2001–2002[edit]

  • "Kuznetsova began playing in tournaments on the ITF Circuit in 2000, winning her first title on the circuit in April 2001." What? "Kuznetsova began playing in tournaments on the ITF Circuit in 2000, winning her first title onin the ITF circuittournament in April 2001 ..." beating whom, especially any one ranked higher? --Philcha (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I suggest alternating "Kuznetsova" and "she"/"her" where the situation allows. --Philcha (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY Where's the citation for "Kuznetsova entered the top 100 for the first time as a result of that victory." Or did I miss something? --Philcha (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY In "defeating 19th seed Anne Kremer in the first round for her first win over a top 20 player", what citation supports "first win over a top 20 player". --Philcha (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • WISMILAK International gave me a blank page. Also please check what supports "won her second title at the hard court Commonwealth Bank Tennis Classic". --Philcha (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • The cited source does not cover "at the hard court Commonwealth Bank Tennis Classic". --Philcha (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Is there any way to support "win the first WTA doubles titles of her career, in Sopot, Poland, Helsinki and Kōtō, Japan". --Philcha (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY At "She finished the season as World No. 43" please add "in singles" to clarify. --Philcha (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

2003[edit]

  • I've just seen the name changes of "Uncle Tobys Hardcourts" / etc. / Brisbane International. This would be a good use for a Note, e.g. "called the Brisbane International since ..." - and that article gives 1 or 2 refs for the current name. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • You could abbreviate "but later fell in the first round in the singles event to Elena Bovina in two sets, 7–5, 6–4" - this is a long article. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY Uncle Tobys Hardcourts says Kuznetsova and Navratilova beat Dechy and Loit 6-4, 6-4 in the final, and Huber and Maleeva did not play. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • What supports "with whom (Navratilova) she would later play throughout the year"? If / when supported, did the longer-term partnership started at Uncle Tobys or later? --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Where? At it now says, "... with whom she would later play throughout the year (except on the Pacific Life Open, partnered with Slovak Janette Husárová) ...", so you need to cite the exception. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY No score against Venus Williams in the Australian Open? <OR>Kuznetsova's score looks good, as Venus Williams was in great form, see the final.</OR>

--Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Green tickY "but was later beaten by Dinara Safina in the second round, 6–4, 6–3" --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "and in the doubles event the first round before being beaten by ..." - how about a verb? --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "Kuznetsova's win over World No. 11 Anastasia Myskina in the second round of the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells, California was her first over a top-10 player this year" - World No. 11, top-10 player? --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "Kuznetsova's came at Wimbledon" - what's missing? --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "At the doubles, they were defeated ..." - who? --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • And "At..." or "In ..."? Please check this right through the article. A long time ago, a French teacher told me prepositions are the hardest thing to master in 2nd languages. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY I'd move "at the Dubai Tennis Championships" to the start of the sentence, to avoid splitting the 2 results. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
    • I used 1 "of" to avoid a string of "in". --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Template:NAY 2 consecutive "managed" at the Dubai Tennis Championships - 1 could be "won". --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • At the Dubai Tennis Championships, Kuznetsova played again with Navratilova. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Still at the Dubai Tennis Championships(!), should it say "beaten by runner-ups María Vento-Kabchi and Angelique Widjaja". --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Green tickY "She did not reach the quarterfinals of any tournaments during the first half of the year. The highlight of this period was a win over World No. 11 Anastasia Myskina in the second round of the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells, California" seems to have multiple issues:
    • "She did not reach the quarterfinals of any tournaments during the first half of the year" needs a citation, otherwise one would have to summarise the results of all the tournaments and show that no tournaments were omitted. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
    • "The highlight of this period was ..." needs a citation, otherwise it's just your opinion, see WP:NOR. --Philcha (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • At "Kuznetsova's breakthrough came at Wimbledon, where in the fourth round, she defeated Maria Sharapova to reach her first Grand Slam quarterfinal, losing to third seed Justine Henin":
    • Template:NAY By my reckoning, Kuznetsova beat Sharapova in the quarterfinal and lost to Justine Henin in the semifinal. Am I wrong? Please check the table at the source - I agree that they can be hard to read. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Template:NAY What supports "Kuznetsova's breakthrough"? --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
      • "Kuznetsova's came at Wimbledon"? "Kuznetsova's breakthrough"? You need a citation, or removed the whole idea. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Template:NAY Did Kuznetsova play doubles at the French and Wimbledon? If so, with whom and what were the results? --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
    • SK played in the womens' and mixed doubles in Paris. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
    • SK played in the womens' and mixed doubles in Wimbledon. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Template:NAY "She then made her first semifinal of the year at the Acura Classic" - how to prove that this was her first semifinal of the year? That would imply that there was no previous semifinal, and it's very difficult to prove a negative. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
    • By my reckoning SK lost to Justine Henin in the ladies singles at Wimbledon. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Template:NAY At "She joined the since 2003 defunct Tier II event Sparkassen Cup, losing to 5th seeded Daniela Hantuchová in the first round":
    •  ? "In the 2003 Sparkassen Cup she lost ..."? --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Who says this is a Tier II event? --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
    • "the since 2003 defunct Tier II event Sparkassen Cup" is a horrible phrase. I don't even think the demise of the Sparkassen Cup is relevant. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "Kuznetsova won the doubles competition with Navratilova against Elena Likhovtseva and Nadia Petrova in three sets, 3–6 6–1 6–3" can be more concise and add that K & N beat L & P in the final. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "At the Ladies Kremlin Cup she beat Marlene Weingärtner in the first round before losing to Anna Pistolesi in the second round in two sets, 7–6(5) 6–0" should be more concise. And I question whether "beat Marlene Weingärtner in the first round" is needed - we're reaching the part of SK's career where the results appearing thick and fast, and the article need to be more selective. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "AtIn the doubles competition she played with Navratilova into the semifinals before losing to Russian couple and runner-up Anastasia Myskina and Vera Zvonareva, 6–7(8) 6–2 6–4" can be more concise without losing information. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • At "Her next tournament was the Porsche Tennis Grand Prix in Filderstadt, Germany. There, she lost to Chanda Rubin after winning the first set, but was outstanding in the latter sets, beating the 7th seed, 1–6 6–4 6–3" can be more concise without losing information. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm confused about "Her next tournament was the Porsche Tennis Grand Prix in Filderstadt, Germany. There, she lost to Chanda Rubin after winning the first set, but was outstanding in the latter sets, beating the 7th seed, 1–6 6–4 6–3". Was this some type of round-robin? --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • "At the doubles she received a wild-card with Anastasia Myskina, losing in the first round against Petrova and Shaughnessy in straight sets, 6–4, 6–3" may be plain wrong - Porsche Tennis Grand Prix (Oct 2003) says Myskina played with Zvonareva, and SK is not seen in the doubles. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • At "Her last appearance this year was at the Championships. She joined Navratilova in the first round, but lost to champions Virginia Ruano Pascual and Paola Suárez in two sets, 6–4 6–4":

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General[edit]

  • You need to check that the article says what the sources say, and no more. In 1 case the article is plain wrong Porsche Tennis Grand Prix (Oct 2003), and this source is also used for "the Championships". --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Throughout the article, please use   (non-breaking space) between e.g. "World No. 10", so that the number cannot be separated from either the preceding "word" (in this case) or the following "word" in quantities (e.g. 1 meter). --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Remove "noise words" such as "but later fell in the first round in the singles event to Elena Bovina in two sets, 7–5, 6–4". --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • There are too many phrases that, without good citations to exactly what is said (paraphrased, of course), look like your opinion - see WP:V and Wikipedia:EDITORIAL. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Hint: you don't need separate citations for the WTA PDF results table. When citing academic articles and extracts from books, I give specific page numbers if the article / extract exceeds 10 pages long (as well as giving the page number range). There are techniques for giving specific page numbers without duplicating the whole citation, but I doubt where you'd need these techniques for tennis - unless you cite long sections of books. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I want this article to pass, as: I like watching tennis; and the point of reviews is to improve articles and, where needed, editors. But right now this article is far below GA standard. You've got a lot of work to do. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


Review suspended[edit]

  • This article is not ready for a GA review - too many issues by the end of the season 2003. Please check the whole article and fix all problems. Then please send me a message at my Talk page. I will wait for up to 3 weeks. If there are significant issues after that, I will have to fail the article. --Philcha (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Also add over use of priimary sources, leads to Kutz beat so in so did this in this tournie blah blah blah. If you used sources which are news articles you would be able to better expand the article.

Dead links and DAB pages[edit]

  • Tried a preliminary check with Checklinks, as you'd want the refs OK before splitting some into a List. I got a code 500, a server error for Sony Ericsson Open. The Internet Archive did not give a backup. You could email wtatennis.com and alert them. --Philcha (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Images[edit]

Lead[edit]

I review the lead last, to check that all of it is based on the main text.

Result of review[edit]

Unfortunately I think there's too much still do without the review going on for another month or 2:

  • The most obvious issue is your English. Eventually I checked you User Page, and as far I can see your first language is Russian, and English is a 2nd language for you. As a result there are many places where the phrasing just looks wrong to one whose 1st language is English. As I said above, prepositions are difficult in any European language.
  • You need to check the citations all through the article.
  • Check all of the GA criteria. --Philcha (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to say that I'm going to have to fail this review. I suggest you check the citations and then ask for help with the English. The 2 obvious places where you should ask are the WikiProjects listed at Talk:Svetlana Kuznetsova and then Wikipedia:Peer review. In all cases, explain that you are 2nd-language user of English. --Philcha (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I will put this to peer review. Thank you for your comments; these were very helpful and with your help the article has been improved. Eventually I must mention that it was my first true GAN; my emphasis in Wikipedia rest on WP:FLC since I joined, and I am therefore not very knowledged in respect of FA, GA. Thanks again =)!--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫Share–a–Power[citation needed] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Personal Relationship[edit]

The information in the section is wrong and need to be removed.

" Kuznetsova, a 24-year-old Ukrainian immigrant, was diagnosed with kidney failure in March, not long after she and Solodovnik, a 26-year-old Russian immigrant, got engaged." [1]

the story was dated on August 9, 2003, and Kuznetsova was only 18 at the time not 24, she has never been married, she is Russian not Ukrainian, and she is not an immigrant living in United States, I believe they are different person, and I would suggest to possibly remove it as such event has never happened to Svetlana Kuznetsova, the tennis player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shetachai (talkcontribs) 17:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Svetlana Kuznetsova/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MakeSense64 (talk · contribs) 11:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Some quick comments:
  • The career section appears to be overly long and too detailed. In tennis articles we generally avoid scores in prose per WP:TENSCR: "Just report the round and whether the player won or lost the match, and whom they played."
  • I will begin with trimming.--GoPTCN 11:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
  • The names of other players that appear in the article should be spelled as they are spelled in the English-language sources used for the article. We are not supposed to add diacritics if they do not appear in our sources. E.g. "Vaidisova" is spelled like that in the source, so should be spelled like that in the article. This is according to MOS:FOREIGN.

That would be the first things to fix. MakeSense64 (talk) 11:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Actually, MOS:FOREIGN is about loanwords. For names, it is almost always better to use the spelling the article title usses on names -- because the article title is supposed to reflect the balance of sources, whereas the one source used in another article might be different in diacritics or transliteration. In this case, since the article is at Nicole Vaidišová, that's what should be used. (You'd note that the name without diacritics would be tagged as an unprintowrthy redirect, meaning that it shouldn't be linked to). Courcelles 20:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
No, MOS:FOREIGN clearly refers to names as well (actually, several examples of names are given in the section). Quoting: "For foreign names, phrases, and words generally, adopt the spellings most commonly used in English-language references for the article, unless those spellings are idiosyncratic or obsolete." (emphasis mine). There are good reasons for doing this. The title of the article only shows one name for the topic (per WP:AT, but that doesn't imply that alternative names and spellings are considered "wrong", it is just that an article can have only one title. MakeSense64 (talk) 12:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Vaidisova redirects to Nicole Vaidišová. Do you have any other examples?--GoPTCN 11:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

MakeSense64 announced a summer break a week ago; a "summer is coming" break at the end of March resulted in a four-week absence. There having been no response to my query about finishing this review, I think it's reasonable to assume that it has been abandoned. With the backlog driving beginning at the end of the week, I'd imagine the best thing to do is end the review and put it back in the queue, which I'm happy to do. Thoughts from the nominator or anyone else? BlueMoonset (talk) 20:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with it. Put it back in the queue.--GoPTCN 08:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Okay. Will do. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Svetlana Kuznetsova/GA4. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 14:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

  • The copyeditor removed a ton of non-breaking spaces ( ), especially in world rankings. This puzzles me.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:52, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Reinserted.--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

All images need {{personality rights}}--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Done--GoPTCN 16:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

The following issues seem to remain unresolved from GA2 by reviewer Philcha (talk · contribs)--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

  • I would be nice but it is not possible to make one. Kuznetsova had no affairs.--GoPTCN 08:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • "Kuznetsova's win over World No. 11 Anastasia Myskina in the second round of the Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells, California was her first over a top-10 player this year" - World No. 11, top-10 player? --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC). Reiterate now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done
  • Was it her highest ranked opponent victory to date? If so this is better than first top 20 of the year.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • No, that was not her highest. She once defeated top-ranked Dinara Safina in 2009, for example.--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • "Kuznetsova's came at Wimbledon" - what's missing? --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC). Still seems ungrammatical.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done
  • "At the doubles, they were defeated ..." - who? --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC). Still don't know who her doubles partner was.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • User:Wolbo changed this and performed additional copyedits.--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • And "At..." or "In ..."? Please check this right through the article. A long time ago, a French teacher told me prepositions are the hardest thing to master in 2nd languages. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC) Given wimbledon example above, I reiterate this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I am pretty sure it is "at the doubles". Also I think you can say both "at Wimbledon" or "in Wimbledon", but I am not a native speaker...
  • SK played in the womens' and mixed doubles in Paris. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC) searching the word mixed yields no results.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done
  • SK played in the womens' and mixed doubles in Wimbledon. --Philcha (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC) searching the word mixed yields no results.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks, done
  • She only played in 2003 as far as I can see; I added her best results--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
WP:LEAD
  • Already in the first paragraph.--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • 2004, as stated in the second para.--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • That says first grand slam win. You say her first major tournament appearance but not first grand slam.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done.--GoPTCN 16:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't think this is needed.--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • State when she became highest ranked (#2, I believe), how long she held this rank, and if notable, which tournament propelled her to that rank.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It says "As a result,..:"--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Stated.--GoPTCN 16:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Exactly, so I removed it. Tennis player drop and climb all the time.--GoPTCN 18:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I think it is still reasonable to add length of time (in weeks) at her peak ranking in both singles and doubles. It is important.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • The infobox already contains this info, so I think this is redundant.--GoPTCN 16:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It should probably say she has reached the finals of each grand slam at least once, winning the Australian twice.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I think the first paragraph is summarizing this already.--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 16:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Now "She has reached the finals of each grand slam at least once, winning the Australian twice" needs to have "as a doubles player" at the beginning or end.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 18:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It is not clear to me what her mixed doubles summary will be like. Maybe a sentence like she occasionally played mixed doubles, but has had no significant results might be applicable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:34, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • If you could add her career record, it would be clear to the reader that she did not play this event often.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:09, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I think the infobox already states this things.--GoPTCN 16:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It shows she never did that well. It does not document that she did not play that often. (I meant to add this detail to the infobox).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • The infobox is already very large.--GoPTCN 18:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • "Pairing with Elena Likhovtseva she climbed to No. 3 WTA in doubles and never broke her record." - it seems like this sentence belongs in the next paragraph and I am not sure what record you are talking about.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Reworded and moved--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • "and never broke this record" should probably be something like, "which remains her career-high"
  • Linked--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Note: I have been making copy edits to the beginning of the article (Lead, Early life, Career: 2000, 2001-2002 and 2003) to assist GoP in his efforts but realize that TonyTheTiger is now conducting his review. To prevent further risk of our edits & review getting their wires crossed I'll wait until the outcome of the review before making any further edits. Two final observations for GoP: there are a few deadlinks and the subsection "Playing Style" does not belong in the "Off-Court" section.--Wolbo (talk) 14:20, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

If your copyedit will take less than a week or so, I would prefer if you complete it before I finish my review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:00, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
(2x ce) Thanks for your copyedits. I will fix these issues. Regards.--GoPTCN 15:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I have expanded the playing style, fixed the dead links and formatted the last sections.--GoPTCN 15:58, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
TTT, I think it would probably be best if I finish my 'non-review review/copyedit' and it should not take long at all, certainly not a week. GoP, is that OK with you or do you want to proceed directly with the GA review? As you are the one who requested the GA review I'll leave the choice up to you.--Wolbo (talk) 16:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, I am a participant at WP:CUP, so I don't want to lose in this round. If this passes I get 60 points and will probably advance.--GoPTCN 16:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
The copyeditor was already ahead of where I am in the article. I am still working on the LEAD. Even without a copyedit, I am not sure this would pass within the next week. I have not looked at /GA3 and have only read the LEAD other than look at /GA2. Are these your only potential points?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I have Otis Redding in reserve, which is a good candidate considering its history of turbulent nominations...--GoPTCN 17:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Try to get your points with Redding. I am not sure this one will make it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Finalized my review and (significant) copy edit session. --Wolbo (talk) 23:41, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
2000
ITF Junior Career
  • When she defeated her opponent--GoPTCN 08:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • You have never said when she appeared "In Minsk, Belarus". If I understand rankings correctly, they are dated as of the end of a specific week. I am asking you to say something like "receiving her first ranking of 889 during the week ending Month DD, YYYY", after adding the date of the tournament.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
2001–2002
  • "the Waikoloa Championships in Waikoloa, Hawaii" Either just discuss the first one or give dates for both.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Completely redundant.--GoPTCN 08:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • By your response, I presume the second tournament was also in May, which is not clear in the text. Pleas fix this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:23, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • "However, she lost in the qualifying rounds of both the French Open and Wimbledon." - clarify that this was previously and unpipe the tournament years.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Can you explain what "unpipe" means? Done the first.--GoPTCN 08:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
2003
  • "Kuznetsova participated at Wimbledon, where in the fourth round, she defeated Maria Sharapova to reach her first Grand Slam quarterfinal". What was Sharapova ranked/seeded at the time?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 08:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It seems that the copyedit stops here. Please seek the copyeditor to resume. The article will not pass without a copyedit. I don't wish to continue reviewing the rest until it has been copyedited.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Could you be more specific? The copyeditor copyedited the whole article, by the way.--GoPTCN 08:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It states that she won over a top-20 player--GoPTCN 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Corrected.--GoPTCN 18:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Getting back to my original concern, is this the highest ranked opponent that she had beaten up to that point in her career. If this was her 2nd victory over a top 20 opponent, then it had to be.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:04, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
2004
  • Done--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • If you mean Dubai then it states that Williams was a former #1--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Removed--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
2005
  • "Kuznetsova reached the quarterfinals of for her second time before losing to top seed Davenport." seems ungrammatical.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:58, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Reworded--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Removed--GoPTCN 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
2006
  • Removed--GoPTCN 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Removed as incorrect.--GoPTCN 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
2007
  • "Reaching the final improved her ranking to third, a career high" please provide the week of this ranking.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:52, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • What do you mean? She simply improved the ranking after winning. --GoPTCN 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • This is the same issue as in 2000 above. Some readers will want to know which week she attained this ranking.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done I think--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • What do you mean? She simply improved the ranking after winning. --GoPTCN 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • This is the same issue as in 2000 above. Some readers will want to know which week she attained this ranking.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done I think--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • It seems that there might have been a tournament or two where she was ranked as the number 1 seed. It would be interesting to point out any such instances.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:52, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • There might be some, but I really don't see how it is notable and I removed many minor tournaments per the second GAN.--GoPTCN 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I added some seeding information--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 14:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Do you mean wtatennis.com? This is the official site of WTA which archives all the scores in the past and present.--GoPTCN 18:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • You just need to present a WP:V reference for the reader. Your source verifies she was a #1 seed, but does not enable the reader to confirm this was the first time.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:09, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Added ref--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Only Henin was number-one.--GoPTCN 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
2008
  • "After the latter loss, she dropped out of the top five in the world rankings for the first time in two years." Was this when she fell from #2? Say when she fell from number two and how many weeks the stay lasted.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
2009
  • I looked at the player statistics, but she never reached #2 that year.--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I am not sure what you mean.--GoPTCN 14:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • She ended the year at #3. You said you checked if during the year she was ever #2. Which means you checked before the time when we have documented that she was #3. Did you check after the time to see if she rose from #3 to #2?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • She never achived a better result than #2. She became worse and worse until her fail in the French Open, dropping from #6 to #20.--GoPTCN 18:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • She never achived #2 except in 2007--GoPTCN 17:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
2010
  • Seed. Done--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • As the top seed due to Serena Williams and Safina's withdrawal (it would be nice to know if this was the first time or when the first time was)--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Added--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Fixed--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • O.K. but this remains one of many redundant links in the article. She was just linked in the prior year.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I delinked many links.--GoPTCN 14:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • In this section you finally present a lot of seeding info. However, it is inconsistent with earlier sections although I like the added detail.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I will try to add more seeding information in the previous sections.--GoPTCN 16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • For a woman who spent 27 weeks of her career as the number 2 ranked player in the world, but never was number 1, I think it is important to attempt to point out her first and last number 1 seed and a count of number 1 seeds if possible.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:58, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done. First was in Bali, 2006; last was in New Haven, 2009.--GoPTCN 14:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • You need to present that source to the reader at the point in the article where you say it was the first/last time.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
2011
  • Done--GoPTCN 18:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • The match was the longest recorded women's Grand Slam match in the Open Era, with a final scoreline of 6–4, 1–6, 16–14, and the second-longest women's match in the Open Era. - I think there is a link for longest matches and some have articles.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 18:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 18:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
2012
  • No--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Fed Cup
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Coaches
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Appearances in video games
  • This section needs to be beefed up. Maybe it can be expanded by merger. Does she have any prominent endorsements? Does she do anything else notable off the court?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:54, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 17:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Your hard work gives me confidence that this review might succeed in a short period of time. I am officially putting this on hold.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks--GoPTCN 15:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of progress[edit]

  • I would still like clarification on which weeks she was #3 in doubles in order to show how many weeks she was ranked #3.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • How about now?--GoPTCN 18:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • As before, please specifically identify the weeks she rose to and fell from her highest rank. In this case, I think you need two pairs of dates. This will give us a total of number of weeks at her highest rank.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Now?--GoPTCN 19:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I count 8 weeks at number 3 (7 consecutive) not 5.
  • You are correct. Done.
  • Now, I want to go back and check her singles and see that we did not include the final week's date for her #2 singles ranking.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I counted 15 weeks--GoPTCN 20:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done--GoPTCN 11:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Two issues. 1.) I count 24 weeks if she fell in the week of February 24. 2.) Oddly she attained #2 on a Sunday and you say she lost the ranking on a Monday. Don't those come out on a regular cycle (the same day every week)?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't know, sorry. --GoPTCN 14:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Rankings are always published on Mondays, reflecting the results of the prior week.--Wolbo (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I would like clarification if the victory over Anastasia Myskina in 2003 was the best (highest opponent) up to that point in her career.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I stated that it was her highest up to that point.--GoPTCN 18:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done.--GoPTCN 19:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

The third point is not a dealbreaker.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I am also not pressing for a mixed doubles record.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:27, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Great work. Good Luck in the WP:CUP. I am going to pass this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:04, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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