Talk:Swarm behaviour

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I like the little .gif videos. Let's get more of those on Wikipedia.[edit]

-I like.... TOTALLY AGREE! Fishies! Weee Alexbuirds 22:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)me too!!! someone could make them loop perfectly though.-- (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


The "swarming" of microorganisms is not general knowledge and requires verification. SmokeyJoe 00:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Eels are a subset of fish[edit]

Isn't it then redundant to list them again in the list of species that swarm?

Substantial Enough?[edit]

The article doesnt seem altogether particularly comprehensive enough to me. It speaks mostly about the behavior of fish swarms but not really other species. The species list itself also seems like its a little short (I'm no biologist so I can't say for sure.)

Shoaling as an article in its own right[edit]

Unless there are objections, I propose splitting out the section called Fish into an article of its own called Shoaling. The main article will then have a truncated section on shoaling, referring to the separate article. Shoaling is an important topic in Fisheries, and needs its own article. The current article details only shoaling behaviour, and has a lot of scope for expansion. --Geronimo20 (talk) 03:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Flocking behavior?[edit]

How is swaming behavior different from flocking behavior? If they are sufficiently similar, I would advocate combining the articles. If not, then I think a section is in order which can point out the similarities and differences. --1000Faces (talk) 07:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

"Swarming" is a general term that can be applied to any animal that swarms. "Flocking" refers to swarming behaviour in birds only, just as "shoaling" refers to swarming behaviour in fish only. --Geronimo20 (talk) 21:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


There is zero reason for having a quote section about this. Any viable information should be incorporated into the general description and not seperated into a quote section. What's next? Swarm trivia? (talk) 04:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

To Geronimo20[edit]

Your recent edits seem almost a little harsh in relation to the previous formulation. It is now all lumped together without the earlier distinctions. The delineations seemed appropriate as written. Are you trying to be more concise? Please remember that Wikipedia has no admonition against or aversion to prosaically styled articles. Yet, I suppose that if one feels an economy of words is best, I'll not challenge it further. Perhaps we can find a way to meet both standards. Dr. Dan (talk) 04:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I was not so much concerned with economy (though I think economy is generally a good idea) but rather with clarity, unity and coherence. I suppose I come from the science side (the article is about biological swarms), with a focus more on what the common underlying dynamics of "swarming" might be. I see you are maybe coming more from a historian sensibility. I don't see my rewrite of the lead lost distinctions or delineations, but if you feel differently then change it. I likewise won't challenge it further. Either way, the article is raw, and still needs a lot more work. Perhaps you might like to add a section on "people swarms"? --Geronimo20 (talk) 05:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I was coming a little more from a sociological or even, odd as it may sound, literary perspective, rather than a historical one. You're right, the article needs more work. As for "people swarms", recently, I'm perpetually engaged with them. Maybe I should work on that section. Dr. Dan (talk) 06:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Collective animal behavior and brain behavior[edit]

please see this page

it is yet not very articulated article Retrieved from " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scienficreal (talkcontribs) 21:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC) --Scienficreal (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Living animals following a robotic leader[edit]

Perhaps the fact that some animals are prepared to follow a robotic leader can be mentioned. See Also, I think the same can be done with birds, ie by using artificial birds (ie Robert Musters' peregrine falcon, BlueFalcon design, ...) The only thing with this may be the control/range. Given that male/female birds of any size can be made of that exact species, and given that several birds for guiding a single flock can be produced, success rates should be higher than ie having the birds follow an aircraft (as done in William Lishman's projects)

For the control: rather than using remote control (R/C), it's best to make it autonomous (else the artificial bird can not fly very far before going out of range of the radio communication), so basically a "robot". A simple one should be relatively easy to do. A more advanced one (which also incorporates variables which birds take into account, ie windspeed/altitude, swarm movement, ... may be more difficult but I guess that this too is still achievable. Perhaps it can be made based on software as ArduPilot.

An other thing is the energy storage; I think it's probably best to use a miniature internal combustion engine rather than electric batteries (this also allows quick refilling when the birds stop to rest). See (talk) 08:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Removal of animation[edit]

An animation was removed from this article by some editor who appears to be on a crusade against using animations. If animations are to be banned from Wikipedia, that would be a huge backward step, just one remove away from banning images altogether. If the editor believes their preference is the way to go, they should take the issue to the community and have the relevant guidelines changed. --Epipelagic (talk) 19:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

No crusade here. Per Talk:Herring, I removed one picture from five articles because it was rendering at 1.3Mb, which is significantly larger than the "very small file size" that WP:IUP recommends. --McGeddon (talk) 17:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
This is going too far. Only a thumb is used here. No reasonable rationale has been offered for the removal of this image. --Epipelagic (talk) 20:14, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
My mistake, I hadn't registered it was rendering at a smaller size and was only 210k. I'm surprised this is the only animation on the page, when we could be animating actual swarm behaviour - even the 17k File:Synchropredation.gif is politely given as a static thumbnail for the benefit of print readers. --McGeddon (talk) 22:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
It is not "politely given as a static thumbnail for the benefit of print readers", it just doesn't animate as a thumb. The gif needs reloading frame by frame to fix the problem. You seem to be operating some campaign to reduce Wikipedia to the lowest common denominator, so nothing can be offered to the general reader that doesn't also work for the slowest of connections, the smallest of screens, static print media, the visually disabled... To be consistent, you should now campaign for the removal of any material that cannot be understood by the mentally challenged. Any words longer than two syllables should be removed, as should anything requiring any reasoning power. People with limited attentions spans should be politely acknowledged by restricting articles to 50 words. The trouble with all your politeness is that it ends up being thoroughly disrespectful to the great majority of Wikipedia readers, who will end up with nothing worth the attempt to read at all. --Epipelagic (talk) 01:57, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Strange, I assumed the static thumbnail was deliberate - Herring#Prey uses the same animation, slightly thumbnailed, and it still animates. Putting the herring shoal video clip into the same gallery, it animates fine, so this must be some kind of bug.
Can you please drop the ad absurdums and personal attacks? I'm just making sure that articles follow the image accessibility guidelines laid out in WP:IUP - if you feel that I'm interpreting this policy inconsistently or incorrectly, by all means explain how. If you just don't like the policy, that's fine, but it's not my fault. --McGeddon (talk) 09:58, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

link to my screensaver was removed[edit]

Please recognize that this screensaver is freeware -- I'm not making any money out of it. Some nazi removed the link. I think the link is fully appropriate here, as the page is taking about self propelled particles and this is exactly what the screensaver is showing -- a mesmerizing picture of chaos resulting out of nonlinear mathematics.ExcessPhase (talk) 18:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

This screensaver does not meet the inclusion requirements for WP:EL; it falls under "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article." and "Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: the link should be directly related to the subject of the article." Furthermore, calling the user who removed the link a Nazi is highly inappropriate and incivil. Your behavior here is becoming more and more questionable; I'd suggest you step back a bit and read our civility guidelines. GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I did not see any resource on the page, which showed an animation of self propelled particles or a method for the user to play around with the parameters of such a system and recognize the changes resulting out of such a parameter change. The author of this page agreed with this when I inserted the link.ExcessPhase (talk) 19:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The Wolfram-Alpha links at the bottom of the page allow for this. Furthermore, as I said in my response on my talk page, there is not a single author of this article. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

So why is one link to software appropriate and the other one is not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)