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I do not wish to see any distortions of this page to appease far right cults in Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Italy, France, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Hungary, Austria, Germany..ect
I dont like the idea or method of using the website "sacred text" as a solid Ref, I find it to be of low calibre and less established to be given top page status on this wiki page refs and cits.
I Would also like to point out that The west as well as the chinese have been caught many times trying to pass forgeries off as Orginal artifacts, historians who have been caught in europe and in china explian how a object made today can be made into a 18,000 year old item just by treating it with radiation exposure which tricks the carbondating method, other methods are used to even trick museums with ease.
TOP established historians from asia and europe can give refs, But ukrains and other high far right nations should be given with due caution184.108.40.206 (talk) 17:39, 23 October 2014 (UTC)Caplock
So you write off everyone in Europe (the Netherlands has no far-right cults) and Asia. Who's left? I can guarantee you that today's America has more far-right and/or neo-Nazi "cults" than do Europe and Asia. So, Africa? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
The editor appears, for some obscure reason, to be complaining about claims that swastikas have been found on ancient artifacts. He is suggesting that they might have been forged. Somehow these artifacts "appease" far right groups. It has nothing to do with "writing off" "everyone in Europe" or the relative prominence of neo-Nazi groups in the US and Europe. Paul B (talk) 06:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Mukti Jain Campion is not a historian, ukrain has too much corruption & links with nazism to be trusted on this page!
How to fake a 10,000 year old ukrain artifacts in a nation with 90 percent open far right population.
step one, buy a 10,000 year old mamoth tusk from the internet which is legal and actully cheap depending on size and colour. $200 to $8,000
step two, Buy or use a stone age artifact and start to carve your ideal pattern, if you want to steal the whole of asias history just pop down a crude swastika.
step three, Tell the world you have a 10,000 year old swastika because the tusk of the material carbon dates to 10,000 years and the stone age tools which scratched the design matches up with the tools in the ukrain museum and found in the area by novest hunters.
Step Five, publish the results on every far right website and claim its been authenticated & wait for the news to be spotted and popped up on wiki so that the history can fall back into the hands of the far right for another round of the dark age.
is Mukti Jain Campion an established archaeologist/historian? Ukrain cannot be used a ref of honest historian activity, not when the nation has some of the worst corruption while being drenched in nazi ideology.220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:34, 23 October 2014 (UTC)Caplock
Information is hardly new, see  Although it is not really the oldest one if we are talking about the usage, but this information is common. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:07, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Article wording is "earliest known object," rather than "earliest usage," though. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:37, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Agree and I was only trying to summarize and neutrally reply the above IP, who may have confused with usage and oldest trace together. Otherwise he wouldn't be making this huge post. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Clockwise and counter clockwise is reversed.
I'm speaking from a mystical Native American point of view. Clockwise sun wheels are facing to the LEFT, not to the RIGHT. Imagine an equilateral cross with one ribbon tied to each end. If the cross was turned counterclockwise the ribbons will orient to the right, and left when turned clockwise. In ancient European mythic and Native American tradition clockwise is for productivity, light, goodness. Counterclockwise is for negative things like curses and destruction. I understand that some very positive religions orient it the other way. I'm just pointing out the flaw of the statement that the article makes on what is a clockwise versus counterclockwise sun wheel.18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The article explains that A right-facing swastika might be described as "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise". The section on geometry identifies clockwise and counter-clockwise as one means of describing facing, along with left-facing and right-facing, but does not state that those are the same direction. Indeed, it even explains that clockwise and counter-clockwise are ambiguous.
At no point does the article discuss which orientation has what meaning in so definite a manner, and is not likely to.