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Ethnic / Religious Map is Out of Date and Probably Wrong From the Start[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria#/media/File:Syria_Ethno-religious_composition..jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.1.100.174 (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

U.K. FOREIGN SECRETARY: RUSSIA'S INTERVENTION IN SYRIA IS STRENGTHENING ISIS

British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of inadvertently supporting the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) in Syria, Reuters reported.

Russia has been conducting air strikes in Syria since September 2015 and said it targets a range of militant groups in the country, not just ISIS. The Russian defense ministry said on Monday that its aircraft had carried out 468 missions in the previous week, hitting 1,354 “terrorists’ infrastructural facilities” in Syria.RUSSIA'S INTERVENTION IN SYRIA IS STRENGTHENING ISIS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.162.146.3 (talk) 21:09, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Minor Grammar Edit[edit]

"Pompey the Great of the Roman Empire, who captured Antioch in 64 BC, turning Syria into a Roman province," under Classic Antiquity, is not a sentence.

Intro[edit]

hi sydney  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.71.219.212 (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC) 

In the last sentence of the first paragraph Sunni Arabs should be hyperlinked.

The previous link in the paragraph is for "islam is Syria" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.14.168 (talk) 20:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Anetique mummy body[edit]

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Syrian Arab Republic[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


As Syria disintegrates, there is a loosing connection between "Syria" and "Syrian Arab Republic". Evidently Baathist Syrian government controls just about 30% of the former area of Syria those days. Overall, when we talk about Syria today we mean geographic concept of Syria and not always pointing to the Syrian Arab Republic. Another issue is that there is an alternative rebel government claiming to be legitimate (Syrian Opposition), and even another quasi-state (ISIS) controlling large parts of it and in a way also referring to itself as Syria (al-Sham). The obvious solution is to move Syria article to Syrian Arab Republic and make Syria a geographic article to prevent confusion with the various entities, now claiming to be "Syria". Thoughts?GreyShark (dibra) 22:33, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

– With the Syrian Civil War closing to 4 years since eruption, we have a fractured country, controlled about 30% by Syrian Arab Republic (40% if including self-proclaimed autonomous Syrian Kurdistan), some 40% controlled by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Syria) and 20% fractured between rebel groups, among which Syrian National Council is claiming the role of government in exile of an alternative Syrian state. As a consequence, the concept Syria is largely referring today to the geographic Syria and not specifically Syrian Arab Republic, which is controlling only a margin of former territory. Propose to rename Syria to Syrian Arab Republic, while making Syria a redirect to Syria (region) GreyShark (dibra) 19:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I fixed this proposal to multi-move proposal for you. I hope that's fine unless you want to revert. As for the last sentence of your paragraph, how about changing "Syria (region)" to Syria instead? --George Ho (talk) 19:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but i revert you. If you like we can later propose to move "Syria (region)" to Syria, but in the meanwhile, that is a separate issue.GreyShark (dibra) 20:45, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
    • Strong Oppose : Syria is still recognized in its current borders ! it doesnt matter if the central authority control 10% of the country, those areas that have ISIS and FSA are not recognized legally !
2- this article speak about the whole area of Syria, are you gonna delete the information's and restrict them just the the area's that's under the control of the Regime ! or are you gonna create new articles for FSA areas ?
3- We dont end the existence of a state if it got in a civil war.. its not up to Wikipedia to decide, people know the country by the name Syria and they will look for Syria not the Syrian Arab republic which is the government, there are articles about the Syrian government
4-There are many area of conflict in the world and we cant change the names of the countries every time a rebel took a piece of land, Syria is Syria and the ones claiming they are Syria are just making claims ! if someone claimed France tomorrow we dont change the Article name. If we changed this to the Syria Arab Republic and indicated that it is about the 30% of the government lands, would that be recognized internationally ? did the international community declared that it now separate Syria from the Syrian Arab republic ? Somalia is more disintegrated ! but its not up to Editors to create a new meaning or change the name of the article to refer to the 20% that the Somali government control
5- Lastly : Syria is Syria and this article give the information's about the whole of It, you can create an article about the Syria Arab republic because we are not gonna delete the information's about Idleb province, Dar'aa province and the east if this article is going to be restricted for the Syria Arab republic--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:57, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. As long as the Syrian Civil War remains ongoing, the entire region is in a state of flux, including its borders and which sides have control of which territory. Making page moves based on WP:RECENTISM and how the war is currently progressing is not the way to go about it. Furthermore, the history and boundaries described in Syria (region) do not exactly match that of the modern country, so making such a page move would only add to confusion. The war makes everything unstable (not to mention that these articles are currently under general sanctions), so it is best to hold off title changes. Zzyzx11 (talk) 08:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose as per WP:UCRN, I would imagine that the only reason that the article Syria (region) got separated was for file management reasons. The topic belongs to Syria. Gregkaye 09:27, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Syria is still the recognised name of the country and the country is still what most people think of when they hear the name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:07, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Syria is the most common name for the country, not "Syrian Arab Republic". For example, people refer to "Germany" not "Federal Republic of Germany". I strongly oppose this move. --CookieMonster755 (talk) 02:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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Updating[edit]

The Syria page is in serious need of updating to reflect recent events- the current page sanctions seem to be inhibiting this.

Absolutely. This page feels as though it has been censored - not in the spirit of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vburmester (talkcontribs) 16:35, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Then again, when it comes to this War, it does seem that Wikipedia is not willing to act in the spirit of Wikipedia. 79.71.254.90 (talk) 22:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Syrian Turks[edit]

Syrian Turkmens political Movements Syrian Turkmen flee to Lebanon's Turkish village [1] , Syrian Turkmens Brigades , Syrian Turks Flag [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.219.29 (talk) 08:59, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


Al-Qaeda in Syria targets Turkmen minority [3]

The Turkmen of Syria: exposed early to assimilation and deportation policies [4]

SYRIAN TURKMENS: POLITICAL MOVEMENTS AND MILITARY STRUCTURE [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.179.187.3 (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


Syrian ciwil War Russian aerial bombardment, the Syrian army and Hezbollah killing Turkmen Jab-al Turkman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.5.89.108 (talk) 17:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Turkmen regions Bayırbucak,Turkmen mountain,Aleppo Governorate Talaf Turkmen descent,Aqrap Turkmen 18 Mojahedin of [Russian Federation]. If the Turk's or Arab's ? Mil li jard (talk) 13:29, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Requested move for page 'Syrian Kurdistan' to 'Rojava', 18 January 2015[edit]

Hi!

I'm inviting editors to participate in the discussion to move the article 'Syrian Kurdistan' to 'Rojava'. My rationale is: This article is about a region governed by the PYD, which calls the area Rojava. Foreign press also uses this term, for example [6] (BBC) [7] (Guardian) [8] (Independent) [9] (VICE). Other examples on Wikipedia such as Kosovo (not South Serbia), Catalonia (not Catalonian Spain) or Scotland (not Scottish United Kingdom) indicate this article should be called Rojava as per convention. Thanks Genjix (talk) 19:01, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2015[edit]

The Greek historian Posidonius (150 BC) says,, "the people we (Greeks) call Syrians, were called by the Syrians self Arameans....for the people in Syria are the Arameans". This is repeated by Strabo (Greek historian, Born ca.63 BC), the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (First century AD) and others who all have testified to the fact that the people, whom the Greeks called syrians, called itself Arameans


I think it is not true that the name Syria is from the word Assyrian. syrioi is from the name of the king Cyrus. We are confused with the words syria-assyria-syriac, becouse they sound similar in latin and greek, but not in semitic languages: soria-ashour-siriani Becouse of that i think it must be changed. Caliph Ibrahim (talk) 13:42, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Are there reliable sources that agree with you? --Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes of course that are Those historians called Posidonius, Strabo, Flavius Josephus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caliph Ibrahim (talkcontribs) 20:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Current map of Syria[edit]

I assume the map of the current conflict in Syria is updated as things occur. Wouldn't it make sense to do what ISIL does and date the latest revision? When I visit ISIL, I can immediately see that there's been no major changes in the situation in six days. Timothyjosephwood (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

the theme State at fault[edit]

Please fill out the websites <Syria> with the theme State 

fault Arab Jamahiriya Sirya.

The  Lender's have, probably,
a interest - 

get back the its funds and when? Sacsaveclepain (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC) Chill out. Creditors are big enough and the country

Syria are rich enough. 

Al Assad are Islamists or Aufstandische

way or repay all monies. 

For each patron or rocket purchased on credit. Cents vingt trois (talk) 14:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

United Nations[edit]

Peacekeepers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leadermaster (talkcontribs) 04:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC) ≈≈≈≈MurrayJohn Craig Geddes

Population[edit]

The population infobox in the demographics section says 'Historical populations (in thousands)', when I'm pretty sure Syria's population is in the millions. Fix it please, thanks --68.118.202.114 (talk) 15:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Use of the villifying term 'regime'[edit]

Could we please be fair-minded enough to substitute the villifying word regime (with it's tyrannous connotations) for government? This is after all an encyclopaedia. Beingsshepherd (talk) 02:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

How much rubles has Putin funneled to your bank account? They are losing value soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.202.170 (talk) 05:15, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

So, when it comes to Syria, it would seem that Wikipedia are not fair-minded enough to substitute the villifying word regime for government. But it will allow uncalled insults to be made against Russia. Not that there is any pro-US regime agenda here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.254.90 (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Indeed it is worrying the issue you raise. It seems this is not an encyclopaedia anymore and is run by fanatics from both sides Green beret1972 (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 19 September 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:43, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


(non-admin closure)

– No WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The name "Syria" can also refer to the Syrian region, Assyria, Roman Syria and Syria-Palaestina. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:44, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Oppose as per WP:UCRN. Syria is the most common name for the country, not "Syrian Arab Republic". For example, people refer to "Germany" not "Federal Republic of Germany".
Note, this has already been suggested some months ago Talk:Syria#Syrian_Arab_Republic. The consensus was no move.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose BMK (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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The quest to call Syria a 'failed' state[edit]

There are claims that due to split of Syria (Ba'ath, Sunni Opposition, Kurdish autonomy, Jihadist forces) and invasion (ISIL) - Syria can no longer be considered a nation-state, but rather a failed state - like Yemen, Libya and Iraq. There are multiple sources to support this [10], [11], [12], [13]. I suggest to add this into leading section.GreyShark (dibra) 20:18, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

In the article of Somalia, it is mentioned that it WAS a failed state until the establishment of a government. Lybia isnt a failed state nor Yemen.. But you only care about Syria so whatever. States goes into Civil wars and thats normal.
This "source" [14] is qouting the fears of Alakhdar al-Ibrahimi that Syria is going to fail not that its actually a failed state.
Richard W. Rahn does not have the authority to declare a state is failed !!
This [15] have the address "failed states" but doesnt claim Syria as a failed and doesnt have the authority to do
This [16] doesnt claim Syria as a failed state. It is mentioning that things are going bad and worsening.
Until the fall of the Syrian regime and the elimination of the centralized Syrian army then you cant say that Syria is a failed state. Most major cities are in the hands of the government and that government is still paying wages and sending delegations to the UN as a sovereign state.
Please wait, maybe someday you will see Syria extinct but not today. Its like a quest to end Syria's existence on Wikipedia like you tried once here Talk:Syria#Syrian Arab Republic.
I also need to mention this (which is the main argument): from the article Failed state :
  • Loss of control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein
  • Erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions
  • Inability to provide public services
  • Inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community
three and a half of the former situations arent applicable to Syria.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:41, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Actually 3.5 of the above does apply to Baathist Syrian Arab Republic - it lost control of most of the territory, its authority is eroded (the Arab League for instance allowed Syrian Opposition to take its seat), the cannot provide public services to more than half Syrian citizens and it is no longer a full member of the international community, with alternatives gaining a significant power. Perhaps an RFC is required here.GreyShark (dibra) 14:19, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

You dont need an rfc,This isnt a democracy.. you cant declare a failed state and its not up to your "judgment".. your "sources" that you really looked hard to find with weird determenation arent authoritive to declare a failed state... anyway, most of syria is under the control of the republic unless you count the desert... the state is regaining lands and you are mistaken.. salaries are still being paid..arab league is a joke.. even unicef have more authority and syria is a full part of the international community. maybe your dream of the collapse of syria might happen someday.. but you need to wait.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 14:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Turkmen Mountain War[edit]

Turkey downs Russian warplane near Syria border, Moscow denies air space violation [17]

Turkmen Mountain War Gunshots are being also heard from Yayladağı district.

It is stated that elders and children especially in Bayırbucak region where mostly the young Turkmens live, move beside to Turkish border but not to Turkey because they do not want to leave their homes. Sometimes the Syrian regime sometimes the Turkmen side maintains control over coastal Bucak region. Turkmens had to retreat from a part of Bucak region due to airstrikes. Turkmen 2nd Coastal Division controls a 40km-region from Ğimem to Acısu Region [18]

Russia, Assad regime continue pounding Turkmen Mountain Russia aims to make Assad more powerful ahead of negotiations with opposition, Turkmen leader says

- Turkmen Mountain

The head of Turkmen Parliament in Syria, Abdurrahman Mustafa, says that various motivations lay behind Russia’s rising attacks against Turkmen Mountain.

Strategic importance of Bayirbucak

The Red Mountain, about five kilometers [just over three miles] from the Turkish border, has the strategic importance of being the highest peak in the region.[19] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.225.59 (talk) 14:14, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


Russia shoots innocent civilians, Russian airstrikes hit children in Qur'an course in Syria Russian airstrikes hit a Qur'an course and a refugee camp; scores of people killed and injured Russian airstrikes hit children in Qur'an course in Syria


Russia and Assad Accused of Shelling Syrian Refugee Camp Near Turkish Border "The Russian airstrikes Turkmen Mountain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.162.146.3 (talk) 21:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

...and we all believe Vice News. 79.71.254.90 (talk) 23:07, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

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Evidence highlighting the support of the Turkish military[edit]

Provided evidence of the support of the Turkish military forces (for artillery fire large caliber) and the purchase oil off the terrorists.)

^ https://russian.rt.com/article/145541 ^ http://lifenews.ru/news/182947 ^ http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1579521/video/

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2016[edit]

Dumat al-Jandal has nothing to do with Dūmā, the former being in Saudi Arabia and the latter in Damascus suburbs. Please delete this whole paragraph (During Muhammad's era) as it's not related to Syria. Ghaylan de Damas (talk) 15:50, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 07:55, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Edit request 21/08/16[edit]

Hi there, I was struck by the map of the Syrian Civil War. The use of colours is not neutral.

Culturally speaking, red and green, when used together, symbolise "enemies" and "allies" respectively. The suggestion of the map is that the Syrian government are our "enemies" while the Syrian rebels are our "allies." This is not neutral.

I've changed the colour of the Syrian government from red to blue. Blue and green are rarely seen to be opposing colours in the same way, though they are clearly different enough from each other that one can tell one side of the conflict from the other. I'm linking the file here.

I'd be very grateful if someone could replace the picture that's currently there with this one, thereby restoring proper neutrality to the article.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.147.203.172 (talk) 23:43, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2016[edit]

(Sayyidah Zaynab) Religious zone in Damascus: Created by Iraqi immigrants since 2004, and Shia Muslims from Iran, Hezbollah, and Iraqi Shia.

Sancolor (talk) 17:36, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. KGirlTrucker81 talk what I'm been doing 19:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Important issue[edit]

The article is too old and does not talk about ISIS (the global terrorist organisation) عراف الجبل (talk) 06:05, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2016[edit]


--- This paragraph ---

Syrian Civil War Main article: Syrian Civil War The ongoing Syrian Civil War was inspired by the Arab Spring revolutions. It began in 2011 as a chain of peaceful protests, followed by a crackdown by the Syrian Army.[89] In July 2011, army defectors declared the formation of the Free Syrian Army and began forming fighting units. The opposition is dominated by Sunni Muslims, whereas the leading government figures are Alawites.[90] According to various sources, including the United Nations, up to 100,000 people had been killed by June 2013,[91][92][93] including 11,000 children.[94] To escape the violence, over 2.1 million Syrian refugees have fled to neighboring countries of Jordan,[95] Iraq,[96] Lebanon, and Turkey.[97][98] An estimated 450,000 Syrian Christians have fled their homes.[99] As the civil war has dragged on, there have been worries that the country could become fragmented and cease to function as a state.[100]

--- should be changed with this ---

Syrian Civil War Main article: Syrian Civil War The ongoing Syrian Civil War was inspired by the Arab Spring revolutions. It began in 2011 as a chain of peaceful protests, followed by a crackdown by the Syrian Army.[89] In July 2011, army defectors declared the formation of the Free Syrian Army and began forming fighting units. The opposition is dominated by Sunni Muslims, whereas the leading government figures are Alawites.[90] According to various sources, including the United Nations, up to 100,000 people had been killed by June 2013,[91][92][93] including 11,000 children.[94] To escape the violence, almost 4.8 million [sources http://syrianrefugees.eu and United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) ] Syrian refugees have fled to neighboring countries of Jordan,[95] Iraq,[96] Lebanon, Turkey,[97] and Egypt[98] An estimated 450,000 Syrian Christians have fled their homes.[99] As the civil war has dragged on, there have been worries that the country could become fragmented and cease to function as a state.[100]

Perseo985 (talk) 14:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Done