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Former good article nominee Syria was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Ethnic / Religious Map is Out of Date and Probably Wrong From the Start[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria#/media/File:Syria_Ethno-religious_composition..jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.1.100.174 (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Minor Grammar Edit[edit]

"Pompey the Great of the Roman Empire, who captured Antioch in 64 BC, turning Syria into a Roman province," under Classic Antiquity, is not a sentence.

Intro[edit]

hi sydney  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.71.219.212 (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC) 

In the last sentence of the first paragraph Sunni Arabs should be hyperlinked.

The previous link in the paragraph is for "islam is Syria" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.14.168 (talk) 20:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Syrian Arab Republic[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


As Syria disintegrates, there is a loosing connection between "Syria" and "Syrian Arab Republic". Evidently Baathist Syrian government controls just about 30% of the former area of Syria those days. Overall, when we talk about Syria today we mean geographic concept of Syria and not always pointing to the Syrian Arab Republic. Another issue is that there is an alternative rebel government claiming to be legitimate (Syrian Opposition), and even another quasi-state (ISIS) controlling large parts of it and in a way also referring to itself as Syria (al-Sham). The obvious solution is to move Syria article to Syrian Arab Republic and make Syria a geographic article to prevent confusion with the various entities, now claiming to be "Syria". Thoughts?GreyShark (dibra) 22:33, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

– With the Syrian Civil War closing to 4 years since eruption, we have a fractured country, controlled about 30% by Syrian Arab Republic (40% if including self-proclaimed autonomous Syrian Kurdistan), some 40% controlled by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Syria) and 20% fractured between rebel groups, among which Syrian National Council is claiming the role of government in exile of an alternative Syrian state. As a consequence, the concept Syria is largely referring today to the geographic Syria and not specifically Syrian Arab Republic, which is controlling only a margin of former territory. Propose to rename Syria to Syrian Arab Republic, while making Syria a redirect to Syria (region) GreyShark (dibra) 19:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I fixed this proposal to multi-move proposal for you. I hope that's fine unless you want to revert. As for the last sentence of your paragraph, how about changing "Syria (region)" to Syria instead? --George Ho (talk) 19:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but i revert you. If you like we can later propose to move "Syria (region)" to Syria, but in the meanwhile, that is a separate issue.GreyShark (dibra) 20:45, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
    • Strong Oppose : Syria is still recognized in its current borders ! it doesnt matter if the central authority control 10% of the country, those areas that have ISIS and FSA are not recognized legally !
2- this article speak about the whole area of Syria, are you gonna delete the information's and restrict them just the the area's that's under the control of the Regime ! or are you gonna create new articles for FSA areas ?
3- We dont end the existence of a state if it got in a civil war.. its not up to Wikipedia to decide, people know the country by the name Syria and they will look for Syria not the Syrian Arab republic which is the government, there are articles about the Syrian government
4-There are many area of conflict in the world and we cant change the names of the countries every time a rebel took a piece of land, Syria is Syria and the ones claiming they are Syria are just making claims ! if someone claimed France tomorrow we dont change the Article name. If we changed this to the Syria Arab Republic and indicated that it is about the 30% of the government lands, would that be recognized internationally ? did the international community declared that it now separate Syria from the Syrian Arab republic ? Somalia is more disintegrated ! but its not up to Editors to create a new meaning or change the name of the article to refer to the 20% that the Somali government control
5- Lastly : Syria is Syria and this article give the information's about the whole of It, you can create an article about the Syria Arab republic because we are not gonna delete the information's about Idleb province, Dar'aa province and the east if this article is going to be restricted for the Syria Arab republic--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:57, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. As long as the Syrian Civil War remains ongoing, the entire region is in a state of flux, including its borders and which sides have control of which territory. Making page moves based on WP:RECENTISM and how the war is currently progressing is not the way to go about it. Furthermore, the history and boundaries described in Syria (region) do not exactly match that of the modern country, so making such a page move would only add to confusion. The war makes everything unstable (not to mention that these articles are currently under general sanctions), so it is best to hold off title changes. Zzyzx11 (talk) 08:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose as per WP:UCRN, I would imagine that the only reason that the article Syria (region) got separated was for file management reasons. The topic belongs to Syria. Gregkaye 09:27, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Syria is still the recognised name of the country and the country is still what most people think of when they hear the name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:07, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Syria is the most common name for the country, not "Syrian Arab Republic". For example, people refer to "Germany" not "Federal Republic of Germany". I strongly oppose this move. --CookieMonster755 (talk) 02:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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Updating[edit]

The Syria page is in serious need of updating to reflect recent events- the current page sanctions seem to be inhibiting this.

Absolutely. This page feels as though it has been censored - not in the spirit of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vburmester (talkcontribs) 16:35, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Syrian Turks[edit]

Syrian Turkmens political Movements , Syrian Turkmen flee to Lebanon's Turkish village [1] , Syrian Turkmens Brigades [2] , Syrian Turks Flag [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.219.29 (talk) 08:59, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


Al-Qaeda in Syria targets Turkmen minority [4]

The Turkmen of Syria: exposed early to assimilation and deportation policies [5]

SYRIAN TURKMENS: POLITICAL MOVEMENTS AND MILITARY STRUCTURE [6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.179.187.3 (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move for page 'Syrian Kurdistan' to 'Rojava', 18 January 2015[edit]

Hi!

I'm inviting editors to participate in the discussion to move the article 'Syrian Kurdistan' to 'Rojava'. My rationale is: This article is about a region governed by the PYD, which calls the area Rojava. Foreign press also uses this term, for example [7] (BBC) [8] (Guardian) [9] (Independent) [10] (VICE). Other examples on Wikipedia such as Kosovo (not South Serbia), Catalonia (not Catalonian Spain) or Scotland (not Scottish United Kingdom) indicate this article should be called Rojava as per convention. Thanks Genjix (talk) 19:01, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2015[edit]

The Greek historian Posidonius (150 BC) says,, "the people we (Greeks) call Syrians, were called by the Syrians self Arameans....for the people in Syria are the Arameans". This is repeated by Strabo (Greek historian, Born ca.63 BC), the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (First century AD) and others who all have testified to the fact that the people, whom the Greeks called syrians, called itself Arameans


I think it is not true that the name Syria is from the word Assyrian. syrioi is from the name of the king Cyrus. We are confused with the words syria-assyria-syriac, becouse they sound similar in latin and greek, but not in semitic languages: soria-ashour-siriani Becouse of that i think it must be changed. Caliph Ibrahim (talk) 13:42, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Are there reliable sources that agree with you? --Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes of course that are Those historians called Posidonius, Strabo, Flavius Josephus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caliph Ibrahim (talkcontribs) 20:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Current map of Syria[edit]

I assume the map of the current conflict in Syria is updated as things occur. Wouldn't it make sense to do what ISIL does and date the latest revision? When I visit ISIL, I can immediately see that there's been no major changes in the situation in six days. Timothyjosephwood (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

the theme State at fault[edit]

Please fill out the websites <Syria> with the theme State 

fault Arab Jamahiriya Sirya.

The  Lender's have, probably,
a interest - 

get back the its funds and when? Sacsaveclepain (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC) Chill out. Creditors are big enough and the country

Syria are rich enough. 

Al Assad are Islamists or Aufstandische

way or repay all monies. 

For each patron or rocket purchased on credit. Cents vingt trois (talk) 14:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

United Nations[edit]

Peacekeepers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leadermaster (talkcontribs) 04:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC) ≈≈≈≈MurrayJohn Craig Geddes

Population[edit]

The population infobox in the demographics section says 'Historical populations (in thousands)', when I'm pretty sure Syria's population is in the millions. Fix it please, thanks --68.118.202.114 (talk) 15:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Use of the term 'regime'[edit]

Could we please be fair-minded enough to substitute the villifying word regime (with it's tyrannous connotations) for government? This is after all an encyclopaedia. Beingsshepherd (talk) 02:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 19 September 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:43, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


(non-admin closure)

– No WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The name "Syria" can also refer to the Syrian region, Assyria, Roman Syria and Syria-Palaestina. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:44, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Oppose as per WP:UCRN. Syria is the most common name for the country, not "Syrian Arab Republic". For example, people refer to "Germany" not "Federal Republic of Germany".
Note, this has already been suggested some months ago Talk:Syria#Syrian_Arab_Republic. The consensus was no move.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose BMK (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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Syria - a failed state[edit]

There are claims that due to split of Syria (Ba'ath, Sunni Opposition, Kurdish autonomy, Jihadist forces) and invasion (ISIL) - Syria can no longer be considered a nation-state, but rather a failed state - like Yemen, Libya and Iraq. There are multiple sources to support this [11], [12], [13], [14]. I suggest to add this into leading section.GreyShark (dibra) 20:18, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

In the article of Somalia, it is mentioned that it WAS a failed state until the establishment of a government. Lybia isnt a failed state nor Yemen.. But you only care about Syria so whatever. States goes into Civil wars and thats normal.
This "source" [15] is qouting the fears of Alakhdar al-Ibrahimi that Syria is going to fail not that its actually a failed state.
Richard W. Rahn does not have the authority to declare a state is failed !!
This [16] have the address "failed states" but doesnt claim Syria as a failed and doesnt have the authority to do
This [17] doesnt claim Syria as a failed state. It is mentioning that things are going bad and worsening.
Until the fall of the Syrian regime and the elimination of the centralized Syrian army then you cant say that Syria is a failed state. Most major cities are in the hands of the government and that government is still paying wages and sending delegations to the UN as a sovereign state.
Please wait, maybe someday you will see Syria extinct but not today. Its like a quest to end Syria's existence on Wikipedia like you tried once here Talk:Syria#Syrian Arab Republic.
I also need to mention this (which is the main argument): from the article Failed state :
  • Loss of control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein
  • Erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions
  • Inability to provide public services
  • Inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community
three and a half of the former situations arent applicable to Syria.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:41, 4 October 2015 (UTC)