Talk:Syrian people

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Infobox Images[edit]

I will make an infobox image such as that [1]

But I cant use the current images, please have an understanding, Syria isn't a platform for regime supporters or opponents, the current infobox only list people who support the regime, worse than that it includes Hafiz al-assad, one of the most controversial figures that is dividing the Syrian people, yet it doesn't include Shukri al Quatli !

the Syrian people wasn't born with the republic of Syria, yet its wrong to include Syrians of the antiquity, therefore the infobox can include persons who lived during the genesis of modern Syrian identity in the 19th century even if they didn't have a Syrian citizenship

the best approach is to include uncontroversial figures belonging to any era since the ideas of Syrian nationality started to appear whether they were ottoman or Syrian citizenship holders

and the most important thing is to put people who are not affiliated with any part of the conflict, no asala nassri or Malek jandali, and no Hafiz al-Assad and Duraid Laham

I need a consensus to be archived, I'm gonna wait a week and if nobody participated in the discussion, I'm gonna take it as a sign to make the photo on my own as I like, I won't put any controversial figures and won't include any one who declared he support or oppose the regime, please dont ignore and then Edit war, i don't like edit war games, I will immediately ask for an RfC if i saw things going to an edit war, and I don't think that any neutral editor will agree on including Hafiz and regime supporters ONLY--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 04:31, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree, just like the example you used, we can include modern Syrians from the 1600s/1700s to present; as this signifies the end of the medieval world and the beginning of our world. Your assertion that the infobox contains "only regime supporters" is not true, in fact the first two rows include Syrians that predate the Assad regime; I'm surprised you would say that. I agree that controversial political figures that are for or against the regime should not be included, because that would only fuel future edit wars. However I think the first two rows should be kept, because they mostly predate the Assad regime. Fareed AL-Atrash died in 1974, and I believe that he is a very important and influential Syrian that is well-known, to this day, in the Arab world. I don't think I would have a lot of objections to your choices, nevertheless please list the people you're going to use before you make the infobox image, because I feel very strongly about the inclusion of Syrians who made important contributions to the Nahda or Arabic renaissance.
On an unrelated note, I know you might find this unusual, but in English grammar, the subject pronoun "I" is always capitalized no matter where it is located in the sentence. English is one of the few languages where the "I" (subject pronoun) is always capitalized. I fixed them for you in your post above. I can't wait to see this new and improved infobox image, :)! George Al-Shami (talk) 02:09, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
By the way, is there a way to show the answer to you header question without clicking on "show", because as it stands now, newbies who arrive at this page won't see the answer and they'll start new discussions on the same topic without reading the earlier ones. George Al-Shami (talk) 02:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Syrian people
الشعب السوري

Famous Syrian People.jpg Row 1: Philipp StammaMaryana MarrashFrancis MarrashMar'i Pasha al-MallahAbd al-Rahman al-KawakibiQustaki al-Himsi

Row 2: Saleh al-AliNasib al-BakriSultan al-AtrashHasan al-KharratIbrahim HananuYusuf al-'Azma

Row 3: Farid al-AtrashAsmahanMichel AflaqHashim al-AtassiShukri al-QuwatliFares al-Khoury

Row 4: Nizar QabbaniAdunisMoustapha AkkadMuhammad al-MaghutHilarion CapucciWahbi al-Hariri

Row 5: Yasser al-AzmaGhada ShouaaWafa SultanSabah FakhriMuhammed FarisSanharib Malki
Hey, hehehehehe thanx grammar wasn't always my favorite subject :( , but about your surprise, first : i hate the regime and the opposition , although i think the regime started but the opposition turned to be as bad as the regime and i want the infobox to show Syrians at their best and not to include any controversial figures no matter how we might feel about them,,,,,,,,,,,, actually Im not gonna touch the first two rows, im saying that the current infobox include people who declared they are with the regime and doesn't include people who declared they are with the opposition, that's all, i love adonis even though he tend to stand with the regime, he is going to be kept, he is such a great Syrian even if he is not neutral, but hafiz alassad and duraid laham ... hmmm they are just too controversial and someday a che guevara (and we have many in syria) is going to start an edit war and i want to prevent that
my idea is next : we will make 5 rows, each row will have 5 persons, the first is for people born between 1750-1800,, the second 1800-1850 .... etc, any one who declared a political affiliation will be excluded, i prefer dead Syrians but we have to include some living ones like sabah fakhri and adonis, actually i was waiting your suggestions, Im waiting for Zyzzzzzzzy to participate because he is the one responsible for the current infobox, I want us to have an understanding that the infobox should be for every Syrian not just supporters or opponents, I will put a list of the people Who are going to be included before I upload the photo
I tried to find a template that doesnt close and i found it, its done--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I finished, please share your suggestions, I had to exclude Sara Shamma because the picture wasnt free to use and I had to replace the photo of Mustapha akkad for the same reason..--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 08:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I tried to have balance, most of Syrians declared an opinion, its hard to find a neutral person, so I kept Hilarion capucci, but I added wafaa sultan, I added Yasser al-Azma cause he's so much bigger name than ghassan massud in syria, I left ghada shuaa even though she is an outspoken supporter because she give syrians much needed prestige, in return I added our astronaut Muhammad fairs, we have 2 outspoken supporters and 2 outspoken opponents, and that's fair, the 4 of them contributed to the prestige of the Syrian people--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 04:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
You have my blessing, I have no problem with this list.George Al-Shami (talk) 06:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
in case of objections that the photo is bulky, we have to include our forefathers, the ones who revived the syrian identity, the ones who fought for our independence, and the ones who took that independence and started the syrian democratic experience, they are very important to our history, as for the photo, its not different than other photos of peoples, pleas look at French people, Germans and Italians--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 07:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
It is quite nice, but if you find it a bit bulky, you can exclude the politicians.... I personally prefer the image without politicians. Thanks a lot for your efforts.--Zyzzzzzy (talk) 21:04, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


Its not enough to throw a book in the summary of your edit. You need to specify which page was it mentioned that Hittite blood run in the veins of modern Syrians. Your "source" is speaking about the Hittite expansion in Syria and that is different from racial expansion. France occupied northern africa like the Hittites occupied Syria but that doesnt mean that Northern Africans have French blood and that Syrians have Hittite blood. Your source does not support your claim.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 00:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Syro Hittite States ruled by Hittites without having hittite elites within their respective states? you're divagating here. Jan Janszoon van Salé (talk) 00:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Syro-Hittites are devided between a northern sphere (Anatolian Hittites) and a southern sphere (Arameans). Sadly, after the WWI, Syria lost its northern territories and we are left only with the southern sphere while the northern one is currently inhabited and ruled by Turks. Dude, listen, I would be very happy if I have Hittite blood and I would give you a huge thank if you got me any piece of Academic papers saying that Hittite blood exist in Syria. However, although Im sure that many Syrians might have it, but we have no source for it. Yes, thousands of books speak of the Hittite expansion and rule in Syria, but none speak about Hittite descendants among Syrians. So even if it is logical, we need a source to it or it will be removed by someone other than me.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 00:30, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
In the Encyclopedia Britannica they mention Hama as being a Hittite settlement, Jan Janszoon van Salé (talk) 00:43, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Thats partially right, Hama was an Amorite place first here then ruled by a Hittite dynasty, then in about 800 BC was replaced by an Aramean one here. Again, it is logical that there is Hittite blood in Syria, but the Greeks also ruled, Romans had Italian elite in Syria, Persians ruled.... etc. We cant use the fact of rule to say that Syrians have this blood or that. It would be like claiming the Tunisians as the grandchildren of the Vandals !! (Yes some Tunisians might carry those genes but without a source then it cant be mentioned). The point is (and to be short), you need a source that says clearly that Hittites contributed to the genetics of modern Syrians. Without a source then we will have a huge problem : every nation on earth (joking) occupied Syria !! Syrians cant have the blood of every one that ever occupied them; this will lead to a very huge list of ancestors.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 00:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Forget about the edit, this would go unto an infinite online research quest.. but i aknowledge your rationalism and logic :) have a great rest of journey wherever you are. Jan Janszoon van Salé (talk) 01:04, 17 September 2015 (UTC)