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Travancore Syrians[edit]

Syrian Catholics from Current day Travancore including northern Travancore can officially claim genuineness especially in Liturgy. Suspect the Catholics in Chavakkad and parts of thrissur district are portugese linked... 10:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Church Origins[edit]

There are conflicting theories on the origin of Christianity in India. The only point some historians agree is on that Christianity was present in Kerala even in the 2nd century.

In the period of time we are talking about most of religious history, across most religions, is certainly based on tradition. The foundations of most beliefs in general tend to be tradition. Unfortunately CNN wasn't around back then to chronicle the happenings of the day. Typically, such arguments are due to a combination of ignorance of history plus post colonial mentality that can creep in.

"Conflicting" theories aside... TRADITION is what all religions are based on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:246:900:766C:D934:EA89:9EDF:38D8 (talk) 03:52, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


Would someone verify the contents of this page?

For one, I think the opening sentence of the History section should refer to the church being founded by St. Thomas as a tradition rather than a fact. Peashy 12:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I took my own advice and changed it.Peashy 12:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

This page was originally deleted Jan 17, 2004 due to a copyright violation. See Wikipedia:Request for immediate removal of copyright violation for details. -- llywrch 06:11, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)


The line

...the controversial Synod of Diamper formally reunited this church with Catholics ...

may not be correct. What the synod did was Latinising this church. The Syrian Catholics were in communion with Rome, but it was via the Persian Church.

Dear Manjithkaini, — I am totally unable to comprehend how one can claim to be in unity with a third person (The Pope) by being in practical, unquestioned submission to a second person or party (Nestorian heresiarch of Assyria-Chaldea) who is EXPLICITLY NOT IN UNITY with that third party (The Pope). This seems to me to be impossible intellecutal gymnastics, and outright dishonest.

Since this is an internal Christian issue, Christian principles obtain. There is no shame in confessing one's sins of schism and heresy, but it is totally unacceptable to pretend that one has never been in schism when the incontroverible truth is that one had. It is totally unacceptable from those who lay claim to the name of Christian.

Also, these histories are also dishonest in that they parrot blindly the lies of trhe Dutch Calvinists imbued among the St. Thomas Christians, when in fact, the "disaffection" was entirely due to the persecution of Catholics by the Dutch and their native Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and Jain allies; and that the only true reason for the Schism, was not Portuguese persecution (the Synod of Diamper was some 80 years old at the time) but Dutch terrorism of the Catholics and pressure to revert to Nestorianism. This is a fact that no one mentions even in passing!

Lastly, why is it that the page has no mention whatsoever of the great tension and violent disagreement between the two factions of this Church? I am aware of this conflict, but I do not believe I know enough to write on it. I would suggest that you add this to the page. WikiSceptic 14:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[Manjithkaini — Please always sign your comments and also put them in chronologically, at the bottom of previous comments, to avoid confusing the talk page]

I think the controversy is not well know outside the SMCC. I had heard about Dutch issues in other areas, but not there. Dominick (ŤαĿĶ) 14:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I would like to propose a project which will cover the Judeo-Christo-Malayalam ethnicity and all its facets. The interdisciplinary nature of this people demands a diverse pool of knowledge. Fundamentally the stories are the same but are being repeated over and again on many different pages. If you are interested please let me know. Zestauferov 12:39, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Some minor edits[edit]

I have made a few minor edits on the article, changing the punctuation and a few words here and there. I hope the sense is now clearer and the original author(s) is/are not offended. Peashy 12:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The Syro- churches[edit]

I think it would be helpful to have a brief recap in this article on the distinction between this church and the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church. They are both Eastern Rite Catholic churches in India whose liturgy is based on the Chaldean tradition, yes? I'm sure there are any number reasons why there are two of them, but you can't really tell from this page or the other. --Jfruh (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move of interest[edit]

In case anyone here wants to weigh in, Eastern Rite Catholic ChurchesEastern Catholic Churches: See Talk:Eastern Rite Catholic Churches. Fishhead64 07:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


I have made few changes to the History section.It didnot talk anything about history than making counter observations earlier. I have also distinguished other Syrian Churches with Syro Malabar.

For referance use -- the offical SMC site

Please discuss before anyone makes changes.

Response to Few Comments[edit]

Peashy tradition vs fact

I don’t understand how do u define fact. We are talking about a community that existed in Southern India who kept their records in palm leaves. If you look at the evidences there are plenty but u wont get anything similar as you can find in Rome or west. That’s simply because People are different their culture for maintaining records are different.

WikiSceptic Synod of Diamper

I am also of the opinion of Manjithkaini. What Synod of Diaper did was latinising this Church. Portugese wants to get credit of brining a fold of people in to Latin church and that’s the sole purpose of Synod of Diamper.

Communion with Rome is not as a one who shares the tradition of latin church. Centuries before Synod of Diamper there was latin rite in Kerala.These rites co existed successfully in Kerala.

But the Portuguese especially The Bishops was greedy and nothing less than inposing latin was acceptable to him.

The Christians on this coast always courteously received any bishops who came to them from over the seas and even made use of these to ordain or consecrate, but it does not follow that they always accepted the doctrines taught by these bishops.

Also, historians have been too ready to regard any Asiatic bishop as a Nestorian but the bishops who came to this coast may have been good Catholics. There always was a tendency among the Nestorian bishops to make overtures to Rome and on three or four occasions there was an actual reconciliation with Rome. When the Portuguese came they were very ignorant of Oriental Churches and did not understand the position of the Syrians, but Francis Xavier praised Jacob as a good Catholic and the next two bishops, Mar Joseph and Mar Abraham were in open communion with the Holy See, so that before the diocesan Synod of Diamper the Syrian Church on this coast was in union with Rome

When pope Julius III on April 6th 1553 confirmed John Sulacca as Chaldean Patriarch, the Pope said that the discipline and liturgy of the Chaldeans had already been approved by his predecessors, Nicholas I (858- 867), Leo X (1513-1521) and Clement VII (1523-1534).

This Papal letter also mentions the former Patriarch, Simon Mamma, of good memory, as Patriarch of the Christians in Malabar.

This shows that there were from time to time Chaldean Patriarchs in communion with Rome and it is contended that the Thomas-Christians of Malabar were in communion with these Chaldean Patriarchs and not with the Nestorian Patriarch.

When the Portuguese arrived here they inaccurately called the four bishops Nestorians but these bishops were Chaldean.

Their report of 1504 was addressed to the Chaldean Patriarch, else how did it find its way into the Vatican Library?

The Portuguese were startled by the absence of images and by the use of leavened bread, but these two points are in accordance with Chaldean usage.

The Thomas-Christians paid the expenses of Marignoli because he was Papal Delegate.

St. Francis Xavier in a letter from Cochin to St. Ignatius Loyola, dated 14th January 1549, asks for Indulgences for certain churches, saying, "This would be to increase the piety of the natives who are descended from the converts of St. Thomas and are called Christians of St. Thomas." In another letter dated 28th January 1549 to Rodriguez, St. Francis Xavier asks for indulgences for a church at Cranganore, "which is very piously frequented by the Christians of St. Thomas, to be a consolation for these Christians and to increase piety."

As saints are notoriously keen in detecting heresy and as indulgences cannot be granted to schismatics, it is contended that these letters of St. Francis Xavier show that the Thomas-Christians were in communion with Rome, even before the arrival of Mar Joseph in 1555. Life and Letters of St. Francis Xavier, by H.J. Coleridge, S.J., ii. 74 90.

When the Portuguese deported Mar Joseph to Portugal it was not the Nestorian Patriarch but the Chaldean Patriarch who sent Mar Abraham to take his place. This appears from Action iii, Decree X of the third provincial council at Goa in 1585, which recites that Mar Abraham came as Archbishop of Angamale, with a letter from Pope Pius IV. Another point is that the letter which Pope Gregory XIII wrote on November 29th 1578 to Mar Abraham does not tell him to convert his flock, but to convert others, that is to say, those who were not Christians

Can you explain me why historians don’t write anything about this ?

But I do agree with you in few points.Not everyone were Chaldeans. There were Assyrians too. Overall why these points are neglected are because of few considerations. You have given few points in that direction

1. Christianity successfully co existed in India for more that 2000 years. No part in the world can claim that. Rome it was a persecuted sect. Middle East it was and still it is. That’s the reason why in Malabarises there are many of Eastern orgin. Accepting this fact is un thinkable to many world wide historians.

2. In India Christianity was made a mess not by Hindus or Muslims its by the Portuguese and the Dutch and few inside leaders of the community.

3. Then the politics and the power fight among the population.If you use the word Nestorian you can keep people away from looking at history and continue doing the latinisation.

MalabarSpider , 06 August 2007 (UTC)

How unfortunate that some within the Syrian Christian community would willingly choose colonial influences in practices over their own traditions. For example certain local churches that prefer the latin rite over Syro-Malabar. There is no right or wrong here, only appreciation of ones own traditions. Why accept an outside force disregarding ones own customs? Perhaps a stronger emphasis by the community to learn/teach ones own history is needed here. Is it that the richness and uniqueness of the Syrian Christian / Kerala tradition and history isnt taught well enough to its members? The story of the Syrian Christians in Kerala is much like the story of the rest of India in that it is riddled with powerful outside influences not accepting and/or trying to change the local way of life. Why go along with it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Major Cleanup Needed!![edit]

In my humble opinion, this article is seriously flawed and needs a major cleanup, to remove obvious typographical errors, to correct grammatical and syntactical errors, to improve its overall organization, etc. It does not present the reader with a continuous, logical flow, but jumps back and forth from one subject to another, repeating subjects, etc... --Sophroniscus 17:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Clean Up Article[edit]

I'm starting a sandbox for cleaning up the page and invite the community members that visits here to stop by and contribute. Tarijanel 19:41, 19 Nov 2007 (UTC)

Please use Sandbox[edit]

Please use sanbox for content additions or deletions.Tarijanel (talk) 07:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Fraction comment[edit]

The sentence that states that the `old party` that remained in communion with Rome is `ONLY A FRACTION` of the original church is POV and carries a negative conotiation. Even if one person left the Church, both sides would then be considered only a fraction even if 99% stayed and only one person left. The Malabar Church is much larger in number today then at the time of the reestablishment of Communion with Rome and it was the Faithful who stayed. The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church is larger then any of the other Churches that split from her and if you add to their number those who are in the Syro-Malankara Church, you find that instead of being `ONLY A FRACTION` which sounds small, that Catholics are the MAJORITY of SYRO Christians in India. The sentence that makes the Fraction comment needs to be edited or taken out of the article. This is only fair as no one on this site treats the other churches this way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC) If you want a source, the Catholic Near East Welfare Accosiation carries and publishes very accurate numbers that are accepted by EVERYONE, and those numbers clearly show the truch of my words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


Corrected the fraction comment. Also did minor formatting changes. Some sections need more detailed write up.Tarijanel (talk) 02:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Content Changes[edit]

Made minor addition to Origin of St. Thomas Christians and East Syrian Relationship. Also added section for References and bibliography. Tarijanel (talk) 00:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Current controversy[edit]

Ought we not to see some reference to this in the article? Rikstar409 03:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Not really. This is simply a news story/scandal. For any topic as big as the Syro Malabar Church, there will always be scandals, stories, scoops, headliners, etc... Something about the clergy abuse scandals within the broader catholic church in general perhaps might have a place, but only as a link to a different page as the story is not independently relevant as there has been a global spate of such scandals within the different catholic churches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments from univolved editor[edit]

Folks, some comments if I may from an editor who knows nothing about the subject matter:

  1. There are long sections with absolutely no references whatsoever - does this mean that those sections are original research or do they in fact represent what the sources say? We have no way of knowing without footnoted references per WP:CITE, see for example the "Division in St.Thomas Christians" section
  2. Some of the sections are way too long and need to broken down into smaller sections, eg again the "Division in St.Thomas Christians"
  3. There is a template redlinker in the "Eparchies" section
  4. There are way too many external links - we don't need a link to every, single, potentially relevant website, see WP:EL.
  5. As alluded to above, we need more footnoted references.

Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Separately, I agree with most of the above. Desperately needs more in-lin WP:FOOT from WP:RELY sources (as do most Malankaran/Keralan/St. Thomas Christian articles - one of the reasons they are edited so furiously is that neither the article nor the angry editor du jour seems to have any in-line footnotes to support their contentions. Student7 (talk) 03:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Revisions &Improvement[edit]

Most of the footnotes are missing in the article mainly due to forking and removal by certain editors. I have added some of the references. Pamparam (talk) 04:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

A user-User:Karnan did selective removal claiming rework of the article is needed. Article does need improvement and the least thing which is required is manipulation of the quoted statements. I have reverted his edits. Please provide edit summary and discuss before anyone make substantial changes. Pamparam (talk) 18:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles on Common History[edit]

There are Six articles which claim common history of Saint Thomas Christians out of this 4 have almost similar contents about the same period. To avoid repetitive articles and to improve the quality of the article, share about WP:RELY sources and re organization of these articles.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian Christianity#About the articles on Saint Thomas Christians common historyPamparam (talk) 03:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Monster list of religious orders[edit]

Someone has placed in here without reference of any sort, every religious congregation under the sun. Most have Vatican ties but are not particularly Syro-Malabarian in any way.

At best, if true, the list will have to be forked. It is too long for this article - it overwhelms it. WP:UNDUE.Student7 (talk) 21:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I created a sub-page for Congregations and added in main article.

Syro Malabar Church Religious CongregationsPamparam (talk) 20:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Malayam language lesson[edit]

Common English names should be used for religious figures recognizable in the rest of the English speaking world. Specifically, "Jesus Christ" instead of the Malayam name. "Virgin Mary" instead of Mariam. A possible alternative is to link to the English article, but that works if the name is only used once, and probably not a good idea. Note that we don't use "Yoshua" which was Jesus' real name. And, admittedly, the Malayam name for Mary is a lot closer to her real name than what is generally used. Student7 (talk) 15:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Major reversion[edit]

Editor Rahuljohnson4u erased many entries giving no reason for most of them. I have reset the article to an old version. For those who made intervening changes and gave an edit summary, my apologies. Please re-enter them. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 14:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

    • -Editor Rahuljohnson4u continues to make edits with out discussion. He has added Servant of God also in the section Saints and Blessed with out discussion. Only Varghese Palakkappillil has been added considering that such a list is enormous, which would account for wrong presentation.

It is better to include only Saints and Blessed in that section. Servant of God is the earliest stage in the Canonization and list of Servant of God and the next stage Venerable is enormous as far as Syro Malabar Church is concerned.

There should be a sub page for them provided that the editor can do justice in including all the Venerable and Servant of God from Syro Malabar Church. It should not be done for highlighting only Varghese Palakkappillil.

Removed Content is pasted below for resue in subpage,

  • Servant of God Varghese Palakkappillil - Archeparchy of Ernakulam-Angamaly - Declared Servant of God on 6 September 2009 by Mar Varkey Vithayathil, the Major Archbishop of the Syro-Malabar Church at Chunangamvely, Ernakulam.

Pamparam (talk) 01:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

List of Eparchies[edit]

I added the names of 2 new eparchies to the list. These were announced at Kakkanad and Vatican on 1/18/2010. We can start working on adding more information to these links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcvalayam (talkcontribs) 20:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC) --Jcvalayam (talk) 04:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Somebody should create pages on eparchies of Mandya and Ramanathapuram. User:Rahuljohnson4u (talk) 17:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Total population[edit]

According to the kerala govt, total christian population is only 6.1 million in the state. Of this only 3.7 million are Catholics and they belong to three different rites. Latin rite alone accounts for atleast 1.5 million people.

The figure quoted here in the page as syro malabar rite is 4 million which is double the original.number. The reference given is untrustworthy and seems like a catholic author repeating a hyped church claim. A govt figure should be more accurate.

If we add up the populations as claimed by various kerala syrian churches, in their attempt to play vote bank politics bargaining with numbers, there should be atleast 12 million christians in kerala forming 38% of the total population.

That is certainly preposterous and funny as it would be to anyone who lived in that indian state.

The population figure mentioned is atleast double the original. Thomachan1986 (talk) 10:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Population figure given here(4 million) doesnt correspond with the kerala government census stats. It doesnt correspond with the stats given in Malayala Manorama Year book either(the most widely circulated yearbook in India). This denomination has a total membership of only 2.2 million. The total kerala christian population is 19% of the total (32 million), which comes to 6.1 million. Roman Catholics in three rites together(Latin, syro-malabar and syro-malankara) come to only 3.7 million! Then how can one rite alone claim 4 million?

The official church figures given in most websites run by churches are hyped. Indian Orthodox claim 2.5 million believers, Marthoma Church claims 1 million believers, Pentecostals also claim 1 million believers in Kerala. If we add up all these official claims of the various churches given in their websites or in books written by religious authors, the total christian population in the indian state of Kerala would be more than the total population of the state itself and we have to assume there are no hindus or muslims here.

Mathenkozhencherry (talk) 20:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Concerning the numbers for the Syro-Malabar Church: I think the number of 3.6 Million includes those living outside Kerala and India. Gugganij (talk) 10:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Chaldean connection controversial[edit]

It is mentioned in the page that st. Thomas christians were ruled by chaldean catholic prelates before latin rule started in 1599 with the Synod of Diamper.

However Blessed Mar Ivanios, the founder of the Syro-Malankara catholic rite writes in his book titled "Were Syrian Christians Nestorians?" that all st thomas christians of kerala were under Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch prior to 1599 AD.

Most dioceses of Syro-malabar rite are also rejecting any relation with chaldean rite historically. Chaldean catholic uniate/rite was formed only in 16th century from Iraqi Assyrian(Nestorian) converts to the Roman Catholic church.

Chaldean connection is the history version of only one rebel diocese- changanacherry. Other syro-malabar dioceses accuse changanacherry diocese of trying to 'chaldeanise' their church.

Note that most other dioceses conduct eucharist with priest facing laity like in the latin rite. Only some priests in changanacherry diocese celebrate the mass facing the east like chaldeans or syrian orthodox.

Chaldean connection is a hotly disputed issue in the syro malabar catholic church. And outright rejected by many syro- malankara catholic and latin rite historians. (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Problems from the 19th century appear to be covered in Chaldean_Catholic_Church#Expansion_and_disaster. All well after the 16th/17th century issues you mentioned. Will the material from that article help here? Student7 (talk) 01:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Two different liturgies in one eastern rite[edit]

I think the most interesting and peculiar feature of syro-malabar catholic church is the fact that differentdioceses of this eastern catholic rite uses differentliturgies.

This is probably the ONLY cath uniate that does so.

The ernakulam diocese uses a latin style liturgy with priest facing laity. . The changanacherry diocese has a more chaldean style liturgy with priest facing east. No mention is made of this very important info.

Thomachan1986 (talk) 10:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

The first sentence of the article mentions it as an East Syrian rite. Since only few dioceses of this church uses a liturgy akin to the old east syriac one used by the Assyrian Church of East, i think we should change this reference to Syro-Malabar as an East Syrian Rite and just use Eastern Rite.

Mathenkozhencherry (talk) 15:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Split of 1874[edit]

This article does not mention the split of 1874 which divided the Syro-malabar church to cause the ancient Assyrian Church of the East to re-arrive in Kerala after centuries.

Mathenkozhencherry (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Canon law quote[edit]

Are we sure about canon 122? The reference I found about 122 seemed to have to do with finance officer! Might be better to point to canon law directly if you can find it online in English, rather than quoting an indirect source (by itself). Student7 (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of incorrect information[edit]

I removed two names (Eparchy of Kodungallur and Eparchy of Jerusalem ! from the list for eparchies as these two do not exist.--Jcvalayam (talk) 18:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

St Thomas in Kerala a myth ?[edit]

It has always been a policy of the Church of the West to slander about the rich ancestry of the Eastern Church particularly that of the Syro Malabar Church. The tirade against our faith is in consonance with age old repressive ideology of Vatican to keep the eastern churches subdued to the West. Raising doubts over St Thomas and his missionary activities in Kerala even by the Holy father himself is one such appalling act which is no less an act compared to the inquisition. It is painful to see that Vatican's mindset has not changed from the medieval ages. That St. Thomas is the father of our church is one of our core beliefs which we Syro Malabar Christians hold close to our hearts, several of our practices like the Dukaranais centered around St Thomas. No other Christian community/ rite other than the St Thomas christians of kerala celebrate this feast. St Thomas and the stories of his visit to our land is the centre piece of most of our cultural forms like Margam kali pattu and Ramban Songs and several others.

Western theologians with half baked knowledge are quick to write off our ancestry, off course it was the west that persecuted our community and destroyed our holy books and brought down our places of worship in the name of fighting Nestorianism and now they claim they do not have enough evidence. If they feel they do not have enough evidence, its because they destroyed it and never bothered to verify the large volumes that was saved from the marauders. Devasuran (talk) 13:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

If you are so much oppressed with Catholic Chuch, what is th point of continuing in Catholic Church, How can you question the credibility of Holy Father? First you should understand onething? Pope is father of all, As St. Peter is prince all the appostles, even St. Thomas don't doubt the suppremacy of St. Peter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savelan (talkcontribs) 12:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I did not question the credibility of the Holy Father, I just disputed his stance over a core issue that concerns Syro Malabar Catholics, the pope himself later ate his own words and said St Thomas came to Kerala. Papal infallibility extends only to spiritual matters and not historical accounts. St. Peter may be the prince of all apostles but St Thomas is the father of Syro Malabar Church.Devasuran (talk) 18:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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This word implies a value judgment. On Wikipedia we must abide by WP:NPOV and so we can at most state that some group was "regarded as heretical by X", e.g. Rome.

The history section in particular could do with an objective rewrite which makes clear when these churches *effectively* became in communion with Rome. I realize they claim to have always been so, but even believers must acknowledge there was a long period of no communication. --Saforrest (talk) 16:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


It is not clear what is meant by the term possessions in the infobox. Does that mean the whole European union is having SyroMalabar christians. Is there any data to backup the same. Also many countries in the middle east where there is a significant presence of Syro Malabar Christians is not even mentioned. If there is no clarity in this info, it would rather be removed than introduce misconceptions. Rejoice talk 05:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

It is not entirely clear to me either: this field in the {{Infobox Orthodox Church}} template has no explanation in the documentation. However, judging from its usage in other articles about autocephalous Churches, it appears to cover the territories in diaspora and exarchate status, that is, possessions of territory outside its canonical traditional territory. As the Syro-Malabar Church has an eparchy in Chicago and one in Melbourne, I have cut this list down to USA, Canada and Australia. There is no canonical eparchy in the EU or in UAE. I hope this helps. Elizium23 (talk) 13:57, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. Still unsure why you had to include Canada which is not having any eparchy at present? Rejoice talk 06:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)