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Move to Table Mountain, South Africa[edit]

There are numerous mountains in the world called Table Mountain. Each of the pages on wikipedia lists the country or state in the title. To be consistent the name of this page has been moved from just Table Mountain to Table Mountain, South Africa. Palaeozoic99 (talk) 21:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

pic from blauberg side[edit]

took the above, can be used in the article if anyone is interested. just dont link to it :)

I also support this. I think the postcard-esque image of the mountain flanked by Devil's Peak and Lion's Head is far more encyclopedic than, say, the photo from Signal Hill. The photo above is from the right vantage point, but could someone upload a higher resolution image? There should be hundreds to choose from, but I've never taken that photo from Tableview. (I have photos from Table Bay, but they only have Devil's Peak and Table Mountain, rather than Lion's Head too.) Warrickball (talk) 13:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Image from the sea[edit]

I took this image (on the right) from the Robben Island ferry. Does anyone think it should be included in the article which doesn't show the tradition image of the mountain from the sea? Perhaps we should add an image gallery of the different views of Table Mountain. --Elinor.Dashwood (talk) 14:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree completely. The traditional postcard-esque view of the mountain should be here somewhere. Your picture looks a bit grainy, is slightly skeef and is low-res at the moment, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. (Heck, it's nearly perfect.) I've prowled through by own collection (I'm no longer staying in Cape Town), but I've only found one photo and it's no better than yours. (No grain, but there is cloud over the mountain.) I also found the photo to the right on Wikicommons
Image on Wikicommons
, but it's a bit dark, and Lion's Head is masked a bit by Signal Hill.
I suppose I am being a bit picky, but I expect that someone has a high-quality photo taken from Tableview or Bloubergstrand area. Warrickball (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
PS: I took the liberty of reducing your image to a thumbnail. I hope you don't mind.
The reason it's a bit grainy and 'skeef' is because it was taken from a boat with an old-fashioned camera so I scanned it in. That's cool, I was trying to reduce it to thumbnail but wikipedia kept timing out. I'm going to Robben Island again in the next couple of months (visiting tourists) so will try and take a better picture then. I still think that an image gallery would be interesting and really add to the value of the article. --Elinor.Dashwood (talk) 09:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
"Postcard photo" of Table Mountain.
I don't oppose an image gallery at all. It is an internationally recognized tourist attraction. (After all, Table Mountain directs here, rather than the disambig!) I've been scratching around on Wikicommons and found the third photo now on the right. That's the view I'm thinking of. There are a handful of such shots already on the commons, but this is the only one I found which shows any detail of the mountain. (Compare, for example, this.) I'm going to pop this one on the page, as near to the top as possible. It's not perfect, so I invite others to upgrade it, but it's the right view. Warrickball (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Panorama (and Images in General)[edit]

Panorama from the top of Table Mountain

I stumbled onto this panorama on the Commons. It shows a great deal of detail about the geography of the Cape. One can see Lion's Head with Signal Hill, the City Bowl, Robben Island, Table Bay, and Devil's Peak. (Pity it isn't higher resolution.) Should it appear on the page somewhere? Or is it more appropriate on Cape Town or Table Bay?

I have half a mind to re-organize what photos appear here, and where, but I consider this a high-profile page for me to just be changing everything myself... Warrickball (talk) 20:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Be bold :) Your changes so far have been spot on. Zaian (talk) 12:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 :) I guess I'm not sufficiently bold. I've tried to keep the images that I think (in my very humble opinion) are encyclopedic with the text, and moved the rest to the new gallery. We don't for example, need two photos of the cablecar, however beautiful the photos are.Warrickball (talk) 17:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

formation? weather?[edit]

I find odd that this article does not have a clear description of how Table Mountain was formed, why it's got a flat top, what impact it has on the weather in CT, etc. It reads more like a magazine article than an encyclopedia entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Lets just say that not only will your heart be left in Africa, but your muscles will be throbbing for days after Table Mountain. The beauty at the top is incredible and boy does it feel good to be alive while climbing up. Just be sure that you bring plenty of water for the palette and a celly in the event you need to call a rescue squad. table mountain Table mountain is not just a mountain but a very complicated one at that, many storys are linked to table mountain and many involving places like devils peak and lions head, but one i hope everybody would know is,the devil and the pirates smoking contest and the cloud called "the table cloth" that sybolises the contest,look it up if you would like to know more. but of course if looking it up is something you may find hard, go the table mountain page here on wikipedia and scroll down to, i think it is features and u can find out all about the contest and may be able to be taken to a page all about the contest. thanks. oh and just to add, if you are an wiki fan and would love to reasearch let me know!

Politikal Korektniz[edit]

There is a campaign on foot in the New South Africa to rewrite (non-existant) history and to seek to create "Bushman" and "Xhosa" names for the mountain that are entirely imaginary. I am going to demand formal references before I accept these fakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainbeefart (talkcontribs) 2012-10-20

  • Here's an article referring to Hottentot (Khoekhoen) Place Names by G.S. Nienaber and P.E. Raper, and Dictionary of South African Place Names by P.J. Nienaber, which it says provide 1831 and 1881 source for //Hui !Gaeb or //Hui !Gais as an indigenous name for Cape Town. The same article also mentions Huri ╪oaxa (Hoerikwagga) as an indigenous for Table Mountain.
  • According to Google Books, Hottentot (Khoekhoen) Place Names says the following: In approximately 1779 Col. R.J. Gordon wrote as follows on the indigenous name for Table Mountain: "The old Hottentots call the Cape hoeri 'kwaggo or the sea mountain".
Zaian (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Rename article "Table Mountain, South Africa" please[edit]

I wish to echo the very first message left on this page, that the name of the article be changed to "Table Mountain, South Africa", because if you click on a link to "Table Mountain" or enter "Table Mountain" on the Wiki search engine you get taken to "Table Mountain (disambiguous)" and there seems to be no way that you can avoid that.

Who should be contacted to effect this change? Oggmus (talk) 10:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

This article is named just "Table Mountain" because the Table Mountain in Cape Town is much more well-known than any of the other Table Mountains, and therefore it is more likely that someone searching for Table Mountain is looking for this one than for any of the others. This follows the policy set out at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I don't really understand what your issue is with the "disambiguation" page, but renaming this article won't fix it; it will just mean that links and searches for "Table Mountain" will go directly to the disambiguation page. - htonl (talk) 12:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Htonl,

I entirely agree with you that typing in "Table Mountain" should take you straight to this page. And I do not understand why it does not, because no other article is called just "Table Mountain". There is "The Table", "Table Mountains" (plural), and a long list of "Table Mountain (Butte County, California)" and similar qualifiers. It is true that once you are in Wikipedia, and you type in "Table Mountain", and don't immediately press "enter" you are given various alternative options, of which this article tops the list. But that does not happen if you use the Wiki search engine from the Google or Firefox page. I'll check again if links within Wiki, take you to this page. It is my impression that half the time you get taken to the disambiguous page.

But I entirely see your point that renaming the article will not fix the problem. It will only aggravate it, as all attempts at getting to "Table Mountain" will now be routed through the disambiguopus page, because no one would dream of typing in "Table Mountain, South Africa". Thanks for pointing that out. Oggmus (talk) 13:44, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I was just about to reply to the original comment, arguing that the Table Mountain in South Africa is the primary topic as Htonl mentions above. Checking on Google Books and Google Scholar leave me in no doubt that this is unambiguously the case. As to searching on "Table Mountain" - that offers me Table Mountain as the first choice [1] - other slight variations, such as "Table mountain" do indeed go to the disambiguation page. By the way Table Mountain, South Africa already exists as a redirect, just in case anyone tries that. Mikenorton (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks to both of you (Htonl and Mikenorton), especially for distinguishing between where "Table Mountain" and "Table mountain" take you. That might well have explained the capricious nature of where I got taken after typing in "t/Table m/Mountain"! Oggmus (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mike and Htonl. I'm sorry to be going on about this; but should not all variations on "Table Mountain" (in the search engine) such as "table mountain", "Table mountain", "table Mountain", "table mouNtain", "TABLE MOUNTAIN", etc. go by default to this page rather than the "disambiguation" page? This would be in line with the policy set out at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Anyone who lands here by mistake can quickly go to the "Disambiguation page" to find what the mountain they actually want to read about. As things stand you have to know beforehand (and that is not obvious) that the "T" in Table, and the "M" in Mountain both need to be upper case to end up here. Oggmus (talk) 10:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. I have redirected Table mountain to Table Mountain; that was the only one that redirected to the disambiguation page so I would hope now that all searches will go to the same place regardless of capitalisation. - htonl (talk) 14:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

That is great. I have tried "table mountain" (the most probable variation - have not tried the others yet, but I'm sure they'll work) and got to the right page straight away! I'm very grateful. Great work. Oggmus (talk) 15:31, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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