Talk:Tables (board game)
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In the Middle East and Central Asia
I think this section needs to be better organized, with clearer descriptions of some of the rules. Without a familiarity with how the games are played in these regions, there's only so much I can do. If you have anything to add to this section, by all means, please do :-) —ptk✰fgs 01:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
From sv:Brädspel: "Brädspel är också det svenska namnet på ett gammalt spel som spelas på samma spelplan som Backgammon, men med andra regler."
Now, I can't read Swedish, but the article looks to me like brädspel is the general name for what we call "board games". The sentence quoted above, however, looks like it is saying something along the lines of "brädspel is also the Swedish name for a game (played? something similar to?) backgammon (in the middle ages?)"?
Then there's this, at the Vasa Museum website.
- Okay, I poked around some more and found this. It looks like the name of the game is "svensk brädspel". —ptk✰fgs 13:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I know I'm a bit late on the uptake here, but the passage above in Swedish says, "Brädspel (Tables, lit. board game) is also the Swedish name for an old game which was played on the same gameboard as Backgammon, but with different rules." As for the term "Brädspel", it means "board game" in Swedish, and this game is called "Bräde". Wilhelm meis (talk) 00:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what the source is for information on Georgia, but in my experience the version of backgammon they play there is equivalent to the western one. They just do not use the doubling cube, or (obviously) Jacoby rule or Crawford rule. Also, long nardi is played there by plenty of people. I am changing the article to reflect this. Brw12 02:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
why no mention of Mancala here? Mancala games seem to me to be pretty darn similar to Backgammon games. Pieces go round a board, the aim is to get them all off the board off to one side, and capturing involves catching your opponent when they have a certain amount of pieces on a bar/in a pit. The only big differences are the use of seeding instead of dice and the distinguishing pieces based on position rather than color. I can't be the only person to notice this, surely? --18.104.22.168 02:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Unusual suggestion. The consensus from Bell, Murray and other authors of game-books would be -i- Mancala is not dice-driven; -ii- Mancala has a circuit where both players go ever onwards in the same direction but Backgammon has a horseshoe track where they go in opposite directions; -iii- There are very few mancala-type games with as many as 24 pits etc -iv- Mancala games require the capture of opponent's pieces rather than the bearing off of one's own; -v- otherwise there may be some simlarities Salisbury-99 (talk) 12:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
- I agree it is a different family. I've added a 'see also'. David Spector 23:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the English equivalent is to (French) Trictrac (Italian) Trich-trach, but this is apparently a Tables game dating to medieval Europe. Machiavelli mentioned it in his 1513 letter to Francesco Vettori. Wilhelm meis (talk) 07:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC) Here's an interesting page: Rules - Home page. Wilhelm meis (talk) 07:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
It would be potentially quite informative to have a map of the middle-east / east mediterranean area showing the names for the game and the key variations. I do not have the skills to do this.
This page needs to be merged with Backgammon
- No. As used by Murray and Parlett (and others) "Tables" designates a family of dozens of similar games, whereas "Backgammon" designates 1 of these games (currently the most popular one). We may well debate whether certain bits of information (especially the "History" section of Backgammon) might better be moved from one article to another, and whether certain statements ("Backgammon is one of the oldest board games known" -- no, Tables is) might be confusing the issue, but the territory implied by these 2 articles is distinct. It would be better for us to clarify, than to erase, that distinction. Phil wink (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Tabula vs. Backgammon?
The article currently says that "the only differences with modern backgammon" and Tabula is that Tabula has an extra die and the pieces start off the side of the board. I have a hard time imagining that Tabula included a doubling cube, though. If it didn't, then that should probably be mentioned as well (even if not everyone plays with it. It's a commonly used difference, and that's the point.) If it did... well then that seems worth mentioning, too, since the connection between the two games would be all the more certified. Jmgariepy (talk) 08:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
- Done I also doubt whether Tabula had a "roll again on doublets (or triplets?)" rule, but the rules are imperfectly known, and sources generally don't list the rules a game doesn't have. I seem to recall Tabula being reconstructed with pieces moving in parallel, which would be yet another difference from modern Backgammon. More work here is probably necessary. Phil wink (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
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