Talk:Tal-y-llyn Lake

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Meaning of "tal"[edit]

I've added a "citation needed" tag to the assertion that "Tal-y-llyn" literally means "end of the lake", as I can't find anywhere else that supports this translation (and the citation later in that paragraph refers to Llyn Myngul).

I haven't removed the assertion because it is plausible - according to sources I have found, "tal" means "tall" or "high", but it could reasonably also mean "top", as in "top of the lake", which is fairly close to the meaning given in the article. But I do think it needs a citation, even if correct, as otherwise it amounts to original research.

I'd appreciate anyone who actually speaks Welsh commenting on this!

MarkSG (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MarkSG, Welsh Place-Names, by Dewi Davies, gives the meaning as "lake below brow of hill"; several other names with "tal"in them also refer to the brow of a hill. added in edit In this case it is likely that the "hill" in question would be Cader Idris, which does loom over the Tal-y-llyn. Happy days, Lindsay^Hello 19:37, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've found several sources from the early 1800s which say the name derives from the church which stands at the head of the lake, eg George Agar Hansard (1834). Trout and Salmon Fishing in Wales. Longman, Rees, Orme, Brown, Green & Longman., and the 1922 Blue Guides to Wales explicitly says that it means "the end of the lake" Muirhead, Findlay (1922). Blue Guides to Wales (2nd ed.). London: Macmillan & Co. p. 141.. I'll add the later as a reference. Railfan23 (talk) 23:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the University of Wales Dictionary [1] and go to the article tâl² which gives Tal-y-llyn as a specific example (last line of para (a): "occurs in place names, e.g. Trwyn y Tâl, Caernarfonshire, Tal-y-bont, Cardiganshire, Tal-y-llyn, Merionethshire."----Ehrenkater (talk) 23:16, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]