Talk:Talal Abu-Ghazaleh

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Independent sources[edit]

This article MUST have third party published sources documenting each of the claimed associations and activities.

and by the way, an honorary degree is not part of one's education, but part of one's honours. DGG 23:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Statements on Zionism and Jews - section[edit]

I've reviewed another recording of the video MEMRI cited that has been posted on his website: video. However, it is only in Arabic and does not provide an english translation, and therefore by itself cannot be cited as evidence that MEMRI's translation was incorrect. If a separate Arabic-English translation is available somewhere on the Internet, or if a news article has reported that MEMRI mistranslated his words, please provide a link to it. Otherwise, please stop removing this material.

Regarding the article in the The Journal of Turkish Weekly, it consists of a translation from an Arabic article which was published in Bahrain's Al Ayam newspaper on Thursday 13 May 2010 Turkish Daily article.

MEMRI and the Turkish weekly do not cite the same source (they cite different interviews, one given in May and another in July 2010). Again, if you have any evidence that the Turkish Weekly article has mistranslated his words, please provide a source.

Claiming that these translations are inaccurate based on your own intepretation of Arabic-English is Original Research. You have to cite an independent source to support your claim.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 07:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC))

Again, the MEMRI clip [1] reveals that he has made certain statements regarding Jews and Zionism. If you have an alternate Arabic-English translation, please provide it.

On my talk page, you're only statement was that you are using the same interview clip as I am to justify your position. However, my postion is supported by the video clip and its transcript. Exactly how have you determined that Mr. Abu-Ghazaleh's statements cited in this article are incorrect? You have to provide another Arabic-English translation to support your claim. Simply claiming that the MEMRI translation is wrong without providing a source violates both RS and OR.

The link you cited [2] in your last summary provides an Arabic-English translation that confirms Mr. Abu-Ghazaleh's statements regarding Zionism and Jews. What are you trying to prove by citing this link in support of your argument that Mr. Abu-Ghazaleh was misquoted or that the translation was improper?(Hyperionsteel (talk) 07:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC))

It seems I'll have to clarify this yet again. The transcript is taken from this MEMRI Video #2553 - Jordanian Businessman Talal Abu Ghazaleh: 9/11 Was Carried Out by the Taliban, Part of a Zionist Scheme; US Sank in Quagmire as a Result of "Jewish Hatred of Americans" Decision Makers TV (UAE) - July 14, 2010. This video contains all of the statements that he made in Arabic and provides a translation into English. The transcript simply provides a written version of the translation. There is nothign wrong with citing this as a source. Please stop removing this material. And please respond on this talk page so you can explain your position more clearly.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 18:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC))

Ramooz - Please use the talk page[edit]

Again, on the video [[3]] he makes all of the same statements that are cited in the transcript. That's why I've provided links to both to avoid confusion. I'm not sure what you are talking about when you claim the video supports your position - I've watched the video several times and he makes all the statements that are cited in this article. If you have any evidence that the translation itself is incorrect, please provide it. Otherwise, please stop removing this material. And please use this article's talk page to support your view (using edit summaries is very cumbersome). (Hyperionsteel (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC))

I just don’t understand how can you judge without understanding the language of the interview?! The translation of MEMRI is inaccurate. The video that I have sent indicates that he talked about Zionism and their affects in USA but not as mentioned in MEMRI translation. I have provided you with the link of interview itself. I couldn’t translate and post it on websites due to the OS issue. Being without good resources is as weak as citing weak ones to support your claim too. I can understand the language of the interview and I am precisely sure that the translation is inaccurate. Ramoooz (talk) 16:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can't just take your word for it that the translation is inaccurate. You need to cite a source to prove it. MEMRI has a published translation that is freely available on the internet. You will have to cite a reliable source that indicates the translation is inaccurate. Even then, this material would not be removed - rather, the alternate translation (or the allegations) from the other source would be posted. Again, I'm sorry but you can't justify the removal of material from Wiki based on your own translation.

And again, as I have noted many times, the article from the Turkish weekly is not taken from MEMRI. Rather, it is translated from an article in an arabic newspaper and not from an MEMRI video (I've provided a link to the original article). This has nothing to do with MEMRI. I'm not sure why you keep insisting that it does.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 03:51, 21 February 2011 (UTC))

Sorry, but there are hundreds of thousands of the weak resources on the internet. We have always to investigate. Publishing anything on the internet doesn’t necessarily mean that it is neutral and valid. You have always to investigate. I don’t know if MEMRI has private reasons for publishing this. But what I am sure from it is that the interview is not accurate at all with the evidence of the interview itself.

Nobody on Wikipedia can decide to remove something unless there is a valid reason. Also, nobody is allowed to publish anything unless he/she has reliable resources or/and make an investigation by him/her self. Your resources are not reliable, and I have checked many other users complaining from the same resources.

Also, the link that you have provided for the Arabic article is talking about returning Jewish refugees to their homelands and it is referring to the same Turkish resources that are weak and not reliable. Ramoooz (talk) 14:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)