Talk:Talmud

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Anti-Christian canards[edit]

I see that someone is attempting to incorporate into this article some of the tired old canards about the Talmud's alleged "anti-Christian" and "anti-Jesus" references -- the ones usually parroted on white supremacist portals by people who have never read a word of the Talmud, let alone studied it. To that newbie editor -- and to anyone else with similar designs -- please stop. Feel free to initiate contact on my talk page, and I will be happy to explain to you in detail exactly why said Talmudic passages do not say what you think they say. This talk page is not the proper venue for that sort of discussion; but suffice to say, briefly, that there is no consensus as to whether Jesus is even mentioned in the Talmud, let alone derogatorily. Most of the supposed "blasphemies" of Jesus and Mary, for example, do not refer to them at all. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 20:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Saiga12boy hasn't edited since being reverted here. Wouldn't worry all that much, @DoctorJoeE:. JFW | T@lk 22:16, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@Jfdwolff: So I see; he didn't respond to my note on his talk page either. But I always worry when anyone tries to add this sort of antisemitic crap, particularly when accompanied by a "this is the truth" edit summary. The fact that he went to the trouble of opening an account suggested some measure of determination over and above the usual IP trolling, but perhaps I over-reacted. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 23:43, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

DocterJoeE is factually wrong. The references say terrible, blasphemous things about Our Lord and the Blessed Mother. Where is the anti-defamation league now? Factual evidence does not change just because David Duke presents it. If Ghandi presented it, we would all jump and believe it. Look up some things and research the Talmud, there are very offensive and evil things said in it about Jesus and Mary. The article should include these things. It does not go into enough depth as to the level of pure hatred and blasphemy that the Talmud contains directed against God Himself. To make the article better, someone should add it.74.90.110.7 (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

We add material based on verifiable, reliable sources; your claims are tendentious and blatantly antisemitic. Also, Gandhi (you spelled his name wrong) said a lot of terrible things about a lot of groups and no, we don't "just believe it" because Gandhi said something racist or misogynistic. Ogress 21:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes, exactly. (Sorry I didn't see this sooner.) 74.90.110.7, if you are interested in learning something -- as opposed to remaining ignorant and repeating canards -- I will be happy to demonstrate to you exactly why the Talmud does not say what you think it says; but that should be on my talk page, or yours. This page is for discussing improvements to the article, not debunking mythology. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 02:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Ogress, thank you for the entertainment. I came by this page to discern the specifics of "Babylonian" male bovine excrement from others...and you pointed to your magical sky daddy while calling opinion verifiable, reliable sources! Thank you for showing this old goat that there's still comedy and mirth in the world. "Canard": but, but, but, that's not what *I know*; "tendentious" - anything a goyim says. Beer volcanoes and stripper factories sound a lot more millennial, don'tcha think? R'Amen, says Screwtape ;-). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.222.127 (talk) 02:40, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Suggested Edits - COI[edit]

I'm Chief Data Officer at Sefaria, so I have a nice strong COI on this one.

In February of 2017, two translations of the Talmud - the Steinsaltz Hebrew, and the Koren-Steinsaltz English - were placed into the commons with CC-BY-NC licenses, and made available on Sefaria. The William Davidson Foundation paid in order to release these texts into the commons. This kind of transaction - that a copyright holder is paid in order to release their material with a CC license - is unusual.

The first 22 volumes of the English are currently available on Sefaria, and the rest is expected throughout 2017 - https://www.sefaria.org/texts/Talmud

There's plenty of press about this. JTA Times of Israel Tablet Jewish Week Jewish Standard

And the announcements from Koren and Sefaria

Is this worth incorporating?

LevEliezer (talk) 10:10, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

This appears to be a resource worth mentioning in the "translations" section and also worth mention in the external links section. I'll leave this to someone who knows the topic better than I do. Zerotalk 11:17, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
I think so too, one can say with a smidgen of hyperbole that this is a very big deal. I'll word something up in the translation section and add to EL. Sir Joseph (talk) 14:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

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