Talk:Tamburica

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was No consensus Parsecboy (talk) 02:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Tamburica → Tamburitza — It is a common spelling in English. — Vanjagenije (talk) 15:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Survey

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• Oppose In looking at Google books there did not seem to be a preference for one usage over the other in English. The Novo Kolo Tamburica Federation, Inc., of Pueblo, Colorado obviously thinks it should be "tamburica". --Bejnar (talk) 01:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose I agree with Bejnar. The spelling with the 't' doesn't seem to be the prevalent spelling option in English. Barababa (talk) 21:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

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Pictures

See pictures and more at de:Tamburica.  :) --Neoneo13 10:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

TYPICAL SERBS!

why must Tambura Orchestras in Serbia have a "long-standing tradition", where as Tamburica in Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Slovenia are said to have spread from Croatia. The article clearly states the First COMPOSER (YES, IT MUST BE A COMPOSER FOR IT TO BE AN ORCHESTRA) was CROAT, from OSIJEK....THE FACT IS THE TAMBURICA ORCHESTRA CAME FROM CROATIA, IS AN ICON OF CROATIAN CULTURE, AND IS DISTINCTLY CROATIAN, AND SERBS ONLY COPY IT....stop stealing culture, and putting NPOV things on Serbian history like "long-standing" or "glorious" history....why is this part of project "Serbia" why not Project "Croatia" since that's were it is most used and were it comes from....the answer is because Serbs are always spreading political, nationlist, and CULTURAL propaganda from all directions, and most Croats don't really give a sh_t about politics or history, because they are content with the truth...but they don't see the threats against Croatia. AND YES, THIS IS ALL TRUE, AND YES I'M SURE SOME OF THE TEXT IN THE ARTICLE WAS MOTIVATED BY A VIEW OF POINT OF EITHER:

A. "Croats have no culture, it's Serbian"...typical rhetoric

B. "WE are all Yugoslavs and should unite".

Have a shitty day :)

• If the first composer was Croat, that still doesn't mean that tamburitza can't have a long-standing tradition in Serbia. It has a long-standing tradition in both Croatia and Serbia. This article can be part of both Project Serbia and Project Croatia, without any problem. And, It is not truth that Tamburitza comes from Croatia. It comes from the old Turkish instrument Tambura, as the name inticates. Have a nice day. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• • It has a long standng tradition in Serbia because Bunjevci Croats came there from Croatia to Vojvodina (in the parts that used to be part of Croatian republic) and used to have areas with majority Croat (Bunjevci Croat) populations. And the fact that it may have come form the Turkish Tambura doesn't explain why it looks and sounds more similar to a mandolin than that Turkish instrument. Where is the evolution. The proof is inthe documented history of musical ensembles of Croats. Many of these ensembles fromed in today's serbia, but back then it was a part that belonged to Croatia, and most importantly, the musicians were Croats. This is a croatian tradition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.152.40 (talk) 07:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Well to this I say try telling a member of the Bunjevci nation that they are Croats and see what happens... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.148.212.232 (talk) 18:00, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Back

Are the backs flat or rounded, or do the smaller ones have rounded backs and the larger ones have flat backs? Has this changed from the old instruments? All the photos show the fronts of the instruments only. Badagnani (talk) 01:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I have a brac my grandfather made, and it has a flat back. The prim I have is also flatbacked. Nathraq (talk) 21:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Rearanging

I added a photo of tamburica orcehstra and removed the double photos, so that there are now one photo in the galery for each type of tamburitza. I also added the name for those photos, so that one can easily recognise types of tamburitza. I also added mising links. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal: Types of Tamburitza

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was merge, apparently. --  • Lainagier • talk • 06:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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I have proposed that Types of Tamburitza be merged with this article. On its own that article is little more than a list with no establishing context: here it would make a valuable section.  • Lainagier • talk • 02:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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PROPOSAL- split section The Bulgarian tamboura to Bulgarian tamboura

What has Bulgarian tambura to do with tamburica? It's quite different. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you please supply references that clearly trace the relationship between the Bulgar Tamboura and the Serb Tambura, both of which are Balkan long-necked lutes of the same name, related to saz and mandolin - and show that both are separately notable? Please note that for the moment I am restoring the complete disambiguation as there are many pages devoted to similarly-named instruments.Redheylin (talk) 01:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Why the change?Redheylin (talk) 14:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Origin of tambouras

It is impossible that the Turks brought tambouras in Bosnia.Impossible. Because tambouras already existed in the Balkans during byzantine empire, before ottoman empire! (Elizabeth Jeffreys,John Haldon,Robin Cormack, The Oxford Handbook of Byzantine Studies, Oxford University Press, 2008, p928. Nikos Maliaras, Byzantina mousika organa, EPN 1023, ISBN 978-960-7554-44-4 [archive])

I don't understand why so many people are not interested in byzantine period and stop history at ottoman periode. It is not serious from a historical point of view.

The area where tamburica is played

Is that map really accurate? The article is categorized under "Bosnian musical instruments". The Croatian version of the page states that "Najstariji sačuvani pisani povijesni dokument o tamburi u Bosni i Srbiji potječe iz 1551. godine" (rough translation: The oldest written documents about the tambura in Bosnia and Serbia were written in 1551). The article also states that the tambura came to Croatia from Bosnia, and yet Bosnia isn't listed as a place where the tambura is played.

It looks more like the map is displaying areas where a significant number of Šokci live, rather than show where the tambura is played. Barababa (talk) 21:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, some parts of Bosnia are marked on the map, aren't they? Vanjagenije (talk) 09:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

References

[Proposal] - Instrument Tuning Update

Many of the tunings listed are accurate, but not all common tunings are listed.

Prim and Bisernica can frequently be interchangeable - Common tunings include "G" tuning (Double (plain string) G, Double (plain string) or Single (wound or single) D, Single A, Single E); "D" Tuning (Double (plain string) D, Single (wound) A, Single (wound) E, Single (wound) B); "E" Tuning (Double (plain) E, Single (wound) B (or H in Cro/Serb notation), Single (wound) F#, Single (wound) C#).

Brač or Basprim can also be used interchangeably in colloquial usage- Common tunings include "G" same as Prim, Or "A" tuning (Double plain string A, Single E, Single B(H), Single F#), a less common but frequent in larger orchestras is the "E" Brač (sometimes called a Čelovič) which is tuned like an "E" Prim.

Kontra or Bugarija - is tuned the way currently listed by older American tamburica musicians, but most are tuned in an "Open D" (D, A, F#, D) or "Open E" (E, B(H), G#, E).

The Čelo is commonly tuned like the Brač, in "G" or in "A"

The Berde is also commonly tuned in "G" or "A" like the Celo and Brac.

Source? I play all of these instruments?

24.154.99.57 (talk) 15:47, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Replaced (Indian) 'Tanpura' with (Balkan) 'Tambura'.

Dear fellow editors;

I thought I should report here, out of courtesy to other editors interested in this article, about a change I applied today in the Infobox (under 'Related instruments').

The entry for 'Tambura' linked back to the article on the Indian 'Tanpura' which surprised me, because the latter is essentially a simplified sitar used for playing additional drones in support of the sitar itself. Although it is also long-necked, it does not have any frets and is not used for playing melody.

Therefore, I concluded that it would be more correct to replace the existing link for 'Tambura' to the existing article on the Balkan 'Tambura (instrument)', since this instrument is much closer to the 'Tamburica' and perhaps was what the original editor meant all along.

Finally, please forgive the typo in my edit summary, where I meant to refer to the Indian instrument by its full name of 'Tanpura' (or 'Tanpuri'), but the final letter remained stuck in my keyboard (), thus closing my edit summary with the word 'Tanpur'! I apologise for this typo on my part.

If anyone disagrees, then please feel free to revert the edit I reported here; but I hope it will be seen as an improvement instead.

Thank you.

With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 10:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Octaves??

When writing articles about musical instruments can we please, please remember to give octave designations with the tuning notes? Preferably in Scientific pitch notation?

When reading an article about an instrument with which one is unfamiliar, being told that it's tuned "f#, b, e" is pretty useless for any practical application. It could be F#1, B1, E2 -- which puts it in the range of the string bass, or it could be F#4, B4, E5 -- which puts it in the range of the mandolin; or it could be anything in between.

Also, please remember that using "H" for "B natural" is a notational peculiarity of certain languages, and may not be intelligible to non-Germanic speakers.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 21:57, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Appearance At Eurovision Young Musicians 2016

A contestant at the Eurovision Young Musicians 2016 contest performed with this instrument; since this show focuses on instrumental performances, would it be worth mentioning in the popular culture section? http://www.youngmusicians.tv/page/history/by-year/contest?event=2143 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wohdin (talk • contribs) 05:54, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Parts don't read like English

It is clear that parts of this article are either translated from another language or written by someone whose first language is not English. The section "Systems" is full of mistakes and is difficult to understand. What are "foreheads", "pearls", "dry-suction two-part", and "four-quart systems"? I am not even sure if the title "Systems" is correct.

Prustage (talk) 17:21, 14 November 2016 (UTC)