Talk:Tamworth, Staffordshire

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I've removed the pronunciation note; I'm from Rugeley, and I've always heard it as "tamw'th", not "tammoth". It's not an exaggerated pronunciation, for sure (not "tam worth"), but the "w" is definitely audible. sjorford (?!) 12:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

i'm tammie born 'n' bred and i can assure you it's pronounced 'tammoth (as well, of course, as tamworth) in tamworth...

I'm from the area and I think the "w" is usually sounded. Obviously there's a range of views on this.

I edited the culture Section regarding the so called recent arrival and quite derisery section about indie music. There has been for a very long time an indie, rock, goth sub-culture in Tamworth, since the Robert Peel was Hamlets and closed down in the 90's the community went looking for a home as Hamlets became an Irish theme pub. The current owners remember hamlets and looked to revive some of that feeling, a task which they have done a reasonable job of. I only removed that section as I don't think I'm at all qualified to discuss Tamworth culture and judging from the original article neither was the original author. Tamworth has had a very changeable night life and culture, in the 70's/80's/90's Tamworth was home to a thriving local music scene, it still has a local music scene today a little worse for ware since the council have sold off nearly all the venues. While I feel well versed in this past there used to be theatre in Tamworth, there is a museum in the castle there have been picasso exihibits, I know about it but its not current info or accurate to be in a "pedia". Its pronounced "Tammoth" although the "o" has a slight "u" sound to it, unless of course I'm speaking to those outside of the area when I would say Tamworth.

I've always thought that people said it "Tamw'th", like Sjorford said.


I'm a bona fide Tammie lad, and both pronunciations are used in Tamworth. "Tammoth" is principally used by the older generation, and "Tamw'th" is what most of the younger population use (including myself!).

More on talking in Tamworth[edit]

I usually heard it called Tammuth or Tamuf. Me, being a tammie meself call it Tamuf. It would be interestin to know what you call it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emos rule (talkcontribs) 18:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

I'd say "Tammuth". "Tammuf" just sounds to brummy to me. I'd also say "meesen", "hizsen" not "meself", and "hiself". I also use dain't as well as ain't, come as the past for came, 'er for she (eg. 'er come = she came) and negtives of the past of to be with "were" andpsitives with "was" regardless of person: "I was" / "I weren't". Towel and owl have two syllables and the number "one" rhymes with "want" and "wan" whereas "wun" doesn't (that rhymes with "done", "come" and "scum"). --84.78.78.41 16:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm from the nearby village of Warton, and we always pronounced it "Tammuth", too. But then I'm also from a slightly older generation, so younger people may have a different pronounciation, especially as a lot of the people now living there are Brummie by origin.

I've lived here only 35 years now and I say Tammuth, I agree the Tammuf is mainly from those that hailed from birmingham. Today with so many imports I hear allsorts. But more importantly is how do you pronouce Wilnecote. If you've been here a while it only has two syllables.

Suburbs/Areas[edit]

Riverside is more of a houseing estate, would it not be better to includ Mercia instead as that would include the whole area from between the railways line and the river. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.241.209 (talk) 16:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Population[edit]

I don't know who's responsible for saying that the population has fallen since the 2001 census, from 74,531 to 74,200. This is obviously complete nonsense. The town has probably grown by at least 1,000 since 2001.

Image[edit]

One of the photos shows people quite close to the camera. It would probably be best not to show peoples faces. Can the photo be replaced? Snowman (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I've blurred them. G-Man ? 02:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation[edit]

Yeh i'm from Belgrave and loads of older people still say Win'cut and 'Tammuth'. As well as things like 'Shant' (for shall not) and pronouncing 'going', 'Gooin'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fwoar! (talkcontribs) 19:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Colin Grazier[edit]

Why no mention of Colin Grazier GC on this page? And what about Sir William Peel VC? Samuel Parkes VC is there.91.110.205.188 (talk) 16:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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Road names[edit]

Why are so many roads in Tamworth not called 'road' or anything like that? They tend to be called just things like 'Willowbank' and the like. Of course there are roads like that in every town, but seemingly a much higher percentage in Tamworth than anywhere else Martyn Smith (talk) 11:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC) (Sutton Coldfield boy)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move; no clear primary topic. Will also move Tamworth (disambiguation) to Tamworth. Cúchullain t/c 19:06, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


TamworthTamworth, Staffordshire – The Tamworth in New South Wales is just as well known. 58.7.145.197 (talk) 04:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Malformed request are you proposing to move Tamworth (disambiguation) to Tamworth? (NB Tamworth UK 74,531 Tamworth NSW 47,595 people. The vast majority of GB hits [= vast majority of Google Book hits are related to the English town]). In ictu oculi (talk) 07:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    • This page will of course have more hits than other Tamworth, as people searching for any other topic are forced here rather than elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.145.197 (talk) 11:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Many of the people who arrive at the Tamworth page will have selected it from the options in the search box (where Tamworth, New South Wales is listed separately), or from a link in another article. Peter E. James (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
        • IIO, when you say "vast majority of GB hits", which city are you referring to? Jenks24 (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
          • Inserted "[related to the English town]" above - history, architecture, bios of people - the things that are more likely to accumulate for a town with 1,500 years history - part of it as royal capital of the Kingdom of Mercia before the Normans, and sizeable population centre in the Middle Ages - than a town with only 150 years history. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose. A world-wide google search gives, in the top 30 results, equal numbers (11) for Australia and England, with smaller numbers for pig (4), USA (3) and Canada (1). Given also the historical importance of the English Tamworth, no good reason for such a change at this time.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jan1nad (talkcontribs) 09:48, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Aussie Tamworth hosts the largest music festival in Australia, Which is what I was looking for when I got pushed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.145.197 (talk) 11:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
      • In addition to that, I am assuming from your userpage, Jan1nad, that you are in the UK. Google can detect this and will give you results to match. For example, because I'm in Australia, nine of the first ten results for me are about the Australian Tamworth. Jenks24 (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. Tamworth has more page views than Tamworth, New South Wales, but the number is quite close, and when the other articles at Tamworth (disambiguation) are added it drops below 50% in some months, making it likely that there is no primary topic. Google.com search for "Tamworth" also returns similar numbers of results associated with both places. I'm not sure about the "historical importance" - is it just because the the UK town existed before the others and the Australian city was named after it, or is there something of more importance? Peter E. James (talk) 10:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The English Tamworth is the original, an historic town and considerably larger than the Australian Tamworth. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2012 (UTC)-
  • Support. Having seen all the arguments I now support the move --palmiped |  Talk  18:39, 6 JulyAugustdia|talk]]) 21:20, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. No clear primary topic: page views and google searches are similar between the two cities, and that is without taking into account the other articles listed at the dab page, so I do not think the UK city meets the "usage" criterion. The second criterion is "substantially greater enduring notability and educational value". It is a common misconception at RM that this simply means "older", but this is simply not the case with Boston being one of many examples. I see the articles as quite similar in "enduring notability" and "educational value" – although the UK city is larger, the Australian city is much more well known than most cities of its size due to the Tamworth Country Music Festival and the fact that it is the "home of country music in Australia", similar to Nashville in the US. Jenks24 (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Jenks24, out of interest, does Google Books also adjust to the searcher being in Australia? How many UK vs Aus Tamworth do you get from the first 20 results, for example? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:49, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Support, There doesn't appear to be a PT so maybe best dismabig. Zarcadia (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - for there to be a primary topic, one of the articles has to be much more important than the others, and looking at the evidence above that doesn't seem to be the case here. (And this surprised me, as I'm from Staffordshire, myself.) Interplanet Janet (talk) 10:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment. There are a lot of places in the English-speaking world which were originally named after British (and sometimes Irish) towns. We often see, from the perspective of British users, these attempts to demote the significance of the original historic towns based on pure google hit arguments, and the usual British response is to complain that (a) we were here first, and primary can mean first chronologically; (b) by virtue of its longer history the British town has more significance. And these arguments are simply batted away by the claim that that doesn't matter now, here, today. Isn't the google hits argument just as reasonable? Is it not reasonable to take into account that Tamworth Staffs. has given the world so many more things, Sir Robert Peel, Thomas Guy, even the Reliant Robin, compared with a country music festival? Is it not inconsistent to say that notability is forever (so someone famous in the 16th century but forgotten now would still be notable for inclusion) but in terms of primary topics, only today's google hits matter? Sam Blacketer (talk) 19:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Notability has nothing to do with primarity, which has nothing to do with reliability, which has nothing to do with precision. These are unrelated concepts. Sources used on Wikipedia depend on reliability. Article existence depend on notability. Article placement depends on primarity. Article naming depends on common names. Disambiguation of names and length of names depends on precision. These are all different factors. And as for forgotten things of the past, even that does not ensure notability, because WP:NOTNEWS cuts off some of those forgotten things as news events. Let us not forget about WP:Systematic bias of having old things be primary for no reason than being old and storied. And WP:Recentism of having new things become primary just because they were in the news. And ofcourse anything British or American needs to be determined if they suffer from a need to globalize the view looking from implicit bias of being old or from the most powerful and influential English country. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 09:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. No clear primary topic. Ignorant Armies (talk) 05:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Help needed to fix links to Tamworth[edit]

As a result of the recently completed page moves (see above section) links to the Tamworth disambiguation have rocketed up to #2 on the Disambiguation pages with links Top 500. Please help lower this page's ranking by working on the Disambig fix list for Tamworth using Dab solver. Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 17:29, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

This DAB currently has five hits on the front page of my watchlist. None are by anyone who proposed, supported, or executed the move. Mr Stephen (talk) 21:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
All fixed (except Talk:Saint George#Patron Saint of Tamworth). SchreiberBike (talk) 06:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Merger proposal[edit]

The Borough of Tamworth seems to be more or less coterminous with the town of Tamworth. All the places in the borough which have separate articles are described in those articles as areas or suburbs of Tamworth. The article on the borough is all about governance of the town and does not seem to justify its own article, so would anyone object to it being merged into this article? --Mhockey (talk) 17:54, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

I completely agree with the merge because Tamworth is the Borough of Tamworth and the Borough of Tamworth is such a small article that is would fit well into the Tamworth article. 2A00:23C5:7312:B900:65B2:C213:16E6:E750 (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Merge now completed.--Mhockey (talk) 21:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:UKDISTRICTS I think that Tamworth satisfies all 6 of the criteria for having just one article unlike Chesterfield and Corby for example. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:05, 27 September 2018 (UTC)