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Government[edit]

The rulers of Dir originally held the title of Khan but from June 1897 onwards were styled Nawab Khan Bahadur of the Tanoli tribe. The royal status of the rulers was abolished in 1972 at the same time as most other princes of Pakistan.

Tenure Rulers of Dir[1]
Unknown dates Gholam Khan Baba
Unknown dates Zafar Khan
Unknown dates Qasem Khan
1863–1874 Ghazzan Khan
1875–1886 Rahmat Allah Khan
1886–1890 Mohammad Sharif Khan (1st time)
1890–1895 Mohammad `Omara Khan
1895 - December 1904 Mohammad Sharif Khan (2nd time)
December 1904 - February 1925 Awrangzeb Badshah Khan
February 1925 - 9 November 1960 Mohammad Shah Jahan Khan
9 November 1960 - 28 July 1969 Mohammad Shah Khosru Khan
28 July 1969 State of Dir dissolved

References

  1. ^ Ben Cahoon, WorldStatesmen.org. "Pakistan Princely States". Retrieved 2010-05-31. 

Karlani Afghan Tribes[edit]

Note for Record[edit]

A user named Situish is consistently distorting the factual information regarding Tanoli Tribe which is neither supported by the Tanoli Tradition nor by the conventional as well as contemporary writers considered experts in the Afghan History . All such citations are being deleted in a phased manner declaring them unreliable. This practice is likely to ruin the whole article and the article may become redundant . The Wikipedia is to take note of it. Fahad AKM (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear Fahad AKM Im sorry I must differ with you on this point- Sitush is a very senior and knowledgeable editor at Wikipedia and I think all his edits, here on this page, have been extremely accurate and useful. I must also add that there is some confusion as to the actual origins of the Tanoli, with many of them espousing the theory that they are of Turkic (Barlas) origins and some,more recently, claiming Pashtun origins. I have also removed an unreliable source cited here , as that is an Urdu volume by A Sadhroi, self-published by the writer, in Lahore, Pakistan; and in no way is that writer either an expert or scholar of this subject. It must please be borne in mind that there are strict Wikipedia guidelines regarding what is or is not reliable sourcing in Wiki articles; and I hope you will please try to accept and follow these properly thanks. AsadUK200 (talk) 11:19, 3 October 2015 (UTC)Prof AsadUK200

What we don't need are good editor of Wikipedia but those with historical and geneological insights into the wider Pashtun history, Hazara tribal knowledge and connected with the Tanolis, Tanaolies, Tanawalis, Taniwals and Tanis. Please also take the history of the leading Tanoli families as well as the ruling family i.e. Nawabzada Salahuddin Saeed Khan whose interview appeared in the international Herald, published from Karachi in which he clearly declared his family to be Pashtun. Furthermore the article also included the possibility of some of the clans of Tanolis as being either Barlas or Karlugh Turks given that before the arrival of the Tanolis a contiguous area i.e. Agror Valley was ruled by them and then they were ejected by Syed Jala Baba, son in law of the last Turk sultan, who in turn were ejected by the current Khans of Swati Pashtun origin. The Karlugh Turks are still residing in Behali village in Hazara. I know members of their family in Pakistan and the UK as well as the other leading Khwanain Tanoli families including the Nawabzadas. Over the years we had arrived at a comprehensive and balanced article but those with bias and vested interests see hellbent on ruining this important Martial Race of the Hazara region. Therefore, a renewed effort to go back to the original sources and bring some semblence of sanity back here. Those interested in doing this contact me and lets get this article back on track. Moarrikh

I also want to know who A sad in UK is and what discipline he is a professor in - seems a a sad depressive to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moarrikh (talkcontribs) 15:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

No. If you try to do this then you will find yourself blocked from contributing You are not allowed to co-ordinate your efforts in this manner. And you must follow consensus regarding verifiability, reliable sources, conflicts of interest etc. Wikipedia does not exist to promote the claims of a community. - Sitush (talk) 03:06, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2016[edit]

The Tanoli (Hindko language|Hindko/; ) might be a Pashtun tribe, connected to the larger Ghilji confederacy of the Pashtun people.JW Spain 'The Pathan Borderland' 1969 edThe Tanolis mostly inhabit the Tanawal Valley in the eastern part of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, which they took over around the 14th century and named after their tribe. Although Tanawal is today part of the Hazara division of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, in the past its larger portion comprised the two semi-independent native states or principalities of Amb (princely state)|Amb and Phulra, ruled over by Tanoli chiefs of the same family, from about the 1840s to 1969. Prior to that, the area or 'Ilaqa' of Tanawal remained an independent tribal territory from around the 14th to the 19th century.Dr Sher Bahadur Panni, "Tarikh i Hazara" (Urdu) 2nd ed. pub. Peshawar, 1969, pp. 103-122 The English writer Charles Allen (writer)|Charles Allen, citing from a draft manuscript written by James Abbott (Indian Army officer)|Major James Abbott at the British Library, London, writes that the Tanolis were "extremely hostile, brave and hardy, and accounted the best swordsmen in Hazara".

Tanolis (talk) 19:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It is not clear what you are suggesting to change. Please clearly and specifically state which sections you are seeking to change or add content to, and provide sources for each change. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 19:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


Re Reverts etc[edit]

Regarding reversion of 2 edits of mine by Sitush, which I have now redited again after leaving a note for Sitush on his Talk page-- the fact is, that the note that Tanolis live in Afghanistan was wrong, they dont. It seems from the page that the references following this assertion says this but the truth is, both James W Spain and Prof Dani only just mention that Tanolis live in Hazara area of NWFP/KPK. So, the statement was in essence a misrepresentation , i.e. someone trying to sneak in a line to cover with the already-cited references. I hope you see now why I removed the same. One has to be careful please, Ive noted time and again that some Pakistani editors belonging to certain tribes or clans or families, are out to promote themselves and their kin, and they are very persistent in adding false and erroneous statements. I hope editors will remain alert to these thanks. RegardsAsadUK200 (talk) 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)AsauUK200

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2016[edit]

A user named Situish is consistently distorting the factual information regarding Tanoli Tribe which is neither supported by the Tanoli Tradition nor by the conventional as well as contemporary writers considered experts in the Afghan History . All such citations are being deleted in a phased manner declaring them unreliable. This practice is likely to ruin the whole article and the article may become redundant . The Wikipedia is to take note of it.Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

LaibaTariq123 (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done. If you wish to request an edit, you will need to tell us the specific words you want changed and what you want them changed to, and you will need to support your requested change by showing references to reliable sources (see WP:RS). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Further, if there are specific changes made that you object to, please discuss them here and make it clear exactly what you think is wrong and why, again supported by reliable sources (and please note that "tradition" is not a reliable source for factual assertions). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)