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- 1 Preachy nonsense throughout the article?
- 2 Public domain
- 3 Importance of Tarzan
- 4 1980s video game
- 5 C-Class rated for Comics Project
- 6 Trivia :- "Hezza"
- 7 Influence - Critical Reception section needs considerable remix
- 8 Tarzan's character in ERB's books and in film
- 9 Ebooks
- 10 Swinging from vines?
- 11 Israeli "brochures" - or comics?
- 12 citations
- 13 Lex Barker
- 14 You forgot to mention one Tarzan TV series
- 15 The Graveyard Book
- 16 Barton Werper
- 17 tarzan fighting tigers
- 18 Comic STRIPS, not comic books
- 19 Crash Test Dummies
- 20 Adult life: parents not on an island
- 21 Actor Credits in Infobox
- 22 Phil Collins?
- 23 Book Gorilla Behavior
- 24 Post-ERB Books
- 25 Logo
- 26 John Clayton II
- 27 Birthplace
Preachy nonsense throughout the article?
Half the article is exploring how racist and stereotypical the characters and setting is. Shouldn't the article have a brief mention of how the work is a product of a different time, and leave it at that? It reads like some bleeding-heart social justice warrior wanted to put his fingerprint on this article, and it just goes on and on and on about how cruel the books are to Swedes, blacks, Arabs, etc., specifially in the "Critical Reception" section.22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some information about the Tarzan character now being public domain? There is actually a note in the article stating that "the Werper novels were never authorized by ERB, Inc" - it might actually be interesting that such an authorization is not legally necessary today, and that books could be freely printed, distributed and sold, due to the current "public domain" status of the character...
Dinofant 05:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- There is this paragraph in the lead of the article itself:
Even though the copyright on Tarzan of the Apes has expired in the United States of America, the name Tarzan is still protected as a trademark of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Inc. Also, the work remains under copyright in some other countries where copyright terms are longer.
- If correct, Tarzan is listed in that category for expiration of copyright on the original works, but not on the trademark of the character itself ... as a guess.
- D. Brodale 05:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- For that matter, copyright has only expired on the first eight books. The remainder are still under copyright. BPK 14:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The Werper novels violated trademark, not copyright, but at the time they were first printed, all of the Tarzan novels were still covered by copyright. Rick Norwood 15:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, they probably violated copyright too. Much of their text was reputedly plagiarized from the original Burroughs novels. BPK (talk) 14:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Someone has added a "fact" flag to the assertion that Tarzan is trademarked, and then added the remark "seriously". I don't know what this person wants. Look at any professional product with the name Tarzan on it, and you will see a capital R with a circle around it, which means that the name "Tarzan" is a trademark. What more proof does he need? Rick Norwood (talk) 22:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Rick, I seriously think you are correct, but since the serious editor seriously asked for a serious citation, I have seriously posted a link to said serious trademark registries. Seriously yours, Serious Rhosis Sir Rhosis (talk) 22:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Importance of Tarzan
I have not rated the article because I have worked on the article, but whoever rated Tarzan as of "low" importance clearly knows nothing of comic book history. I read articles in fanzines, and even in professional magazines, that are clearly written by a person for whom comic books = superheroes, and who consider, for example, Bouncing Boy as more important than Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, or Tarzan. We need someone who is impartial, but who has read some comic books that are not superhero comic books, to rate this article. Rick Norwood (talk) 12:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- The reason Tarzan is significant within comics is because of the creators, not particularly the character, and an article which discusses the character as it appears across many different media is not of the greatest interest to the comics WikiProject, where we are more interested in articles which solely focus on how topics relate to comics. The comics relevant material in this article comprises roughly 10% of the article; I therefore submit this of low importance to the comics WikiProject in terms of focussing our efforts. I welcome other opinions as a consensus view is built. Hiding T 12:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
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1980s video game
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As this B-Class article has yet to receive a review, it has been rated as C-Class. If you disagree and would like to request an assesment, please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/Assessment#Requesting_an_assessment and list the article. Hiding T 14:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Trivia :- "Hezza"
Michael Heseltine`s nickname "Hezza" has no connection with his other nickname of "Tarzan". "Hezza" comes from the British habit of putting "zza" onto the first syllable of either a surname, as in footballer Paul Gascoine being called "Gazza", or a first name as in anyone called Barry being called "Bazza" or Terry known as "Tezza".126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Influence - Critical Reception section needs considerable remix
The article neglects discussion of the influence of this series of books, films etc. The strong imagery of Tarzan played a significant part in the perception of sub-Saharan Africa in the West in the twentieth century. The extensive, popular appearance of the Tarzan character across all kinds of media adds weight to this. Issues concerned include
- Portrayal of sub-Saharan Africa as homogeneous
- Portrayal as exclusively rural
- Almost complete lack of portrayal of any civilisation
- Portrayal of the local peoples as exclusively primitive and savage
There are many easily accessible academic citations to support these opinions and a relevant 'Influence' section could include mention of them.
I'm looking for authoritative citations of the statement that Edgar Rice Burroughs never visited Africa in his lifetime - I have also read that he never visited Africa until after he had written the early Tarzan books. His WKP entry claims the former. It is significant, given the equatorial African setting of the Tarzan books, and Tarzan's status as a cultural icon. It seems evident that ERB obtained his portrayal of Africa from the writings of the African explorers of the time such as J. W. Buell's Heroes of the Dark Continent  H.M. Stanley's 'In Darkest Africa'  Edward J. Glave's 'In Savage Africa' and Lionel Decle's 'Three Years in Savage Africa' . These volumes are all from ERB's personal library, as archived by Danton Burroughs in Tarzana, California. There's more, but the slant is evident.
The paragraph discussing racism is very poorly written, inaccurate, and not NPOV. The Tarzan books and movies were being criticised as racist before the 1970s, as early as the 1950s, and probably earlier. The example of the description of the local peoples ('blacks' in the article!), is actually positive, compared with a more representative example of an objectionable description that could have been used. Pertinent example from Chapter 9 of Tarzan of the Apes:
their great protruding lips added still further to the low and bestial brutishness of their appearance
The issue of racism in the novels has little to do with whether or not ERB portrayed the local inhabitants as 'individuals with good and bad traits' in some of the books, nor whether stereotyping was 'the custom in popular fiction of the time'. The section goes on to state that 'Burroughs opinions reflected common attitudes of the time, which in a 21st-century context would be considered racist and sexist'. These are further apologia. While true, they were good old racist and sexist attitudes in the 20th century and considered as such - even if this racism and sexism was only widely recognised in the second half of the 2oth century. The section needs sorting out. Centrepull (talk) 04:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
This section on critical reception seems to focus almost exclusively on racism and sexism. Surely there must be other angles that can be discussed that academics have analyzed! Besides, I find it hard to believe that a white child raised by apes and brought up outside civilization would not form opinions about other groups (who are often hostile) that differ from latter-day civilized norms. The guy probably didn't have a diversity adviser telling him not to say certain things. What is remarkable about Tarzan is just how well-adjusted he really is. But that's just my own apologia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Tarzan's character in ERB's books and in film
Since there is a section describing the character of Tarzan in ERB's books, and it is noted that there are Tarzan films, the article should mention somewhere the fact that the character in the Tarzan films (except the film Greystoke) is utterly different from the character in the Tarzan books. Tom184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there a need to list all possible places one can download free Tarzan ebooks, when Project Gutenberg and Gutenberg Australia have all possible ERB ebooks available? HolyEbooks have three...--RicHard-59 (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Swinging from vines?
Although it's been a while since I last read a Tarzan boon, as best I recall, in none of them did ERB describe Tarzan's mode of travel through the trees as swinging from vines, which I believe is an artifact of the movies as much as the "Me Tarzan, you Jane" mode of dialogue. ERB was somewhat vague in his description of Tarzan going through the trees, but such description as he did provide seemed to indicate the Apeman used branches and not vines. Wschart (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- In later books, Burroughs, on a couple occasions, did have Tarzan swing on vines. No cite right off, but I do recall being surprised that he did so. Sir Rhosis (talk) 12:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Israeli "brochures" - or comics?
The "Unauthorised Works" section tells of the Israeli Tarzan adventures of the 1960s. It refers to these as "brochures" e.g. "a thriving industry of locally-produced Tarzan adventures published weekly in 24-page brochures."
"The aristocracy (except the House of Greystoke) and royalty are invariably effete." With a citation to one book? Unless that book says they are alway effete, this does not qualify as a legitimate citation for the statement. Am I wrong? 07:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk)
- This page doesn't mention every actor to play the role, just a few highlihgts; see the "Tarzan in film and other non-print media" page for a full listing of Tarzan actors. Sir Rhosis (talk) 09:46, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
You forgot to mention one Tarzan TV series
- It is mentioned briefly in this general article and also at the "Tarzan in other media" article. Sir Rhosis (talk) 05:10, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
The Graveyard Book
The page states that Neil Gaiman's The Graveyard Book uses many themes from Tarzan. In fact, it is based explicitly on Kipling's The Jungle Books, even to the extent of having parallel titles; any similarity between Gaiman's work and Burroughs' can be attributed to Burroughs' having been influenced by Kipling, not by Gaiman having been influenced by Burroughs. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I've read 4 out of 5 of the Tarzan books written under that name and while they were imaginative, they were also forgettable, not having Burroughs' fantastic writing skills.(22.214.171.124 (talk) 17:40, 4 July 2012 (UTC))
tarzan fighting tigers
- Nor is there a city of Opar in Africa, nor great apes. It's fiction, relax.Skookum1 (talk) 05:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
No. Burroughs was not an idiot, but neither did he do any research before writing his books. Knowledge that there are no tigers native to Africa was not as common when he wrote as it is today. When Tarzan of the Apes was first published in magazine form, Tarzan fought Numa the Lion and Sabor the Tiger. Somebody pointed out ERB's error to him, so when Tarzan of the Apes was published in book form, Sabor became Sabor the Lioness. Rick Norwood (talk) 11:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Comic STRIPS, not comic books
I've been trying to find online versions of the comic strip which used to come with the Saturday comics in the '70s, the artwork was excellent, don't see any of it in the various sites I've found, and noting the list here it's all comic books, not the syndicated strips. Any idea whose they were? I remember a sequence when he was in some lost Egyptian city, and the priests made warriors with crocodile, rhino, lion heads etc and were going to do the same to him. Shouldn't the syndicated versions be here too, or are they just syndications of the comic book contents? Tarzan always wins, of course ;-). Please reply on my talkpage, I don't have this on my watchlist...Skookum1 (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Crash Test Dummies
Adult life: parents not on an island
I changed the line that claims Jane Porter and her party were marooned on the same island as the Greystokes. Tarzan's parents were abandoned on the coast of Africa, not an island off the African coast.126.96.36.199 (talk) 05:53, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Actor Credits in Infobox
Honestly, I think we list far too many of the actors who played Tarzan there. We already have a section of the article detailing the actors individually, and to list all of them (or most) in the infobox just makes it cluttered, in my opinion. Could we do an inter-article link or something basically saying "See detailed list in the article" or something of that nature? Plus we have even added at least one who appeared in rip-off, unauthorized films. Where does it end? Sir Rhosis (talk) 03:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC) If this is to be like an encyclopedia, then ALL actors portraying Tarzan should be listed. You forgot Miles O'Keeffe in 1981 (see IMDB.com)2605:6000:1508:4034:359D:BE80:F0D0:F73E (talk) 18:23, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Whoever keeps putting that Phil Collins stuff up in the first part needs to learn to do research.
Hindsight is 20-20. I saw at least the first Barton Werper unauthorized Tarzan book, Tarzan and the Silver Globe, at a news-stand in 1964. (I might have seen 1 or 2 others of the 5.) The Silver Globe is the Moon. Yes, like Dick Tracy, Peanuts character Snoopy [and probably his brother Spike], etc., Tarzan went to the Moon! This wiki article explained why I can no longer get this book: because it was unauthorized, it was taken off the market and unsold copies destroyed. I'm guessing that it cost 95 cents, instead of the 40 cents for Ace versions, and 50 cents for Ballantine Books versions of ERB's works. I figured, "If the real deal [ERB, then still alive] costs only 40-50 cents, why on Earth would I pay twice that for a knock-off author?!" I didn't, and now I regret it. I read the approximately 70 ERB reprints as a freshman and sophomore in high school. His 4-to-6-page glossaries of the exotic languages of the great apes and Barsoom [Mars] prompted me to minor in Linguistics at UCSD and UCSB; a discipline I enjoy dabbling in to this day. Totally unrelated to Tarzan/ERB, but I've also enjoyed reading (and re-reading) the Fu Manchu Omnibus by [pen name] Sax Rohmer. And I get a kick out of describing Fu Manchu stories by other authors as the "Faux Manchu" Canon. - Bob Gorby, Southern California 2602:304:B190:1DC0:E15D:E912:740A:B5C3 (talk) 18:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Book Gorilla Behavior
- See this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_(book_series) Sir Rhosis (talk) 09:44, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- So Tarzan: The Epic Adventures is 26th, The Dark Heart of Time is 27th, Tarzan: The Greystoke Legacy is 28th, Jane: The Woman Who Loved Tarzan is 29th, Tarzan: The Jungle Warrior is 30th, Tarzan: The Savage Lands is 31st, Tarzan: Return to Pal-ul-don is 32nd, Tarzan on the Precipice is 33rd and King Kong Vs. Tarzan 34th? Danishjaveed (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Frank Westwood who was an avid Tarzan fan and knew the Burroughs family persuaded them to use a standard logo for the Tarzan comics and strips rather than the artist continually changing it. I cannot back this up but he told me while talking to me (about 1970) at a comic convention above the Eagle pub in north London (188.8.131.52 (talk) 16:49, 1 June 2017 (UTC))
John Clayton II
- As it says in the lede, Tarzan is John Clayton II.
- From chapter 25 of Tarzan of the Apes, where D'Arnot is reading Clayton senior's diary to Tarzan:
- "To-day our little boy is six months old. He is sitting in Alice's lap beside the table where I am writing—a happy, healthy, perfect child.
- "Somehow, even against all reason, I seem to see him a grown man, taking his father's place in the world—the second John Clayton—and bringing added honors to the house of Greystoke." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:14, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- http://www.scifinow.co.uk/interviews/interview-neil-gaiman/. Retrieved 29 June 2012. Missing or empty