Talk:Te Ata (actress)

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Requested move 16 December 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. There is consensus that Te Ata is the subject's WP:COMMONNAME. Some expressed reservations around the disambiguator "(actress)" - it may be worth having a follow-up discussion about alternative qualifiers. (non-admin closure) Colin M (talk) 15:15, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Te Ata Fisher → Te Ata (actress) – WP:COMMONNAME. The lead section of the article doesn't even contain "Fisher". Neither do the next three sections that follow after the lead, including the discussion of her entire acting career. Reading the article, I was scratching my head in puzzlement over what the whole "Fisher" idea was – I thought maybe there had been some recent vandalism of the article or its title. I think "Fisher" is only included here for disambiguation, and it doesn't seem like a good choice for that purpose. It obscures her name rather than improving its clarity. But I'm not an expert about this topic, so please correct me if I am wrong in some way. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Support Te Ata Fisher → Te Ata and also support Te Ata → deleted to make room for move. The only other person upon the two-entry Te Ata disambiguation page is Te Atairangikaahu (1931–2006), Māori queen, who was always referenced by her full name, with no indication that she was known as simply "Te Ata". A hatnote atop Te Ata — For the Maori queen, see Te Atairangikaahu — would suffice. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about the Maori queen, and just as you did, I also noticed that the article about her consistently uses a longer form of her name. And when I search the web for "Te Ata", the actress is the clearly dominant result. However, after a little bit of studying it is also clear that the Maori queen is indeed sometimes referred to as "Te Ata" or "Dame Te Ata". Note, for example, that some of the comments on that article's Talk page refer to her that way. And it also seems possible that if I conducted my web search from a New Zealand IP address, I might get a different result. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Update: It may be worth noting that the disambiguation page at Te Ata has been expanded since the above remarks. Three more topics have been added to it, so we probably can't just consider deleting it anymore. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* Support move to Te Ata. Moving to Te Ata (actress) wouldn't be any kind of improvement, since it's not shorter, more intuitive, or her name. Yuchitown (talk) 16:24, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Support per nom. Not the primary topic for Te Ata, given the existence of Ngāti Te Ata, to which the two words often refer. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move to Te Ata (actress). Not shorter. Not more intuitive. Not her name. Yes, all these matter in a move. The move has to be an improvement, not more problemtatic. "(actress)" is more difficult to type than Fisher. Yuchitown (talk) 14:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]
- Not being shorter or more intutitive is irrelevant to article titling. And it is her name, just with a disambiguator attached. WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination, Ortizesp and Necrothesp. Following the addition of three entries to the Te Ata disambiguation page, I am striking my above alternative "support" vote for Te Ata Fisher → Te Ata. While there may be some disagreement regarding use of the parenthetical qualifier "(actress)", it is certainly preferable to the retention of her little-known married name as a disambiguator. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 11:53, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The Chickasaw and Oklahoma Hall of Fame refer to her by her full name Mary Frances Thompson Fisher so I added that to the article. The Chickasaw (her tribe) refers to her as Te Ata Fisher. Dislike the use of (actress) since she was also a storyteller, which is an important aspect of her culture and shouldn't be disregarded by Wikipedia article naming. oncamera _{(talk page)} 13:18, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.