Talk:Te Kooti's War

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Father Reginier[edit]

It is interesting that this French catholic missionary should be trusted by the government to deliver a communication -and failed to do so. Had he done his job a lot of lives could have been saved. It is interesting to speculate why he didnt deliver the government's offer. This is the second time in NZ history that we find Regnier working against the NZ government. He was the cause of a lot of the unrest in the southern Bay of plenty when he spread rumours about the Anglican minister Carl Volkner. The local Maori egged on by Regnier's lies, attacked Volkner on his return fron Auckland and he was killed and his eyes eaten in a cannabil feast by Hau hau rebels . — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


I have been gradually working my way through the articles on NZ wars, cleaning them up, expanding where necessary, adding images where available and improving the infoboxes. This article is now appearing on my horizons and will require significant work: the citation style is vastly inadequate and the writing style (apart from numerous spelling and punctuation errors) is often more boys' own adventure than encyclopedic, much of it containing unnecessary comment. BlackCab (talk) 11:56, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Much of this is down to one editor who added so much text it was difficult to sort out the useful from the fluff. Good luck! DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 16:33, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I have begun the rewrite and expansion of the article with improved references. I have started work on an expanded infobox, and will add to this. The lead section needs more work to cover Te Kooti's switch from defensive to offensive tactics and I'll also add images as I work on the article. BlackCab (talk) 02:10, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Pai maire and/ or Hau hau explained[edit]

Readers unfamiliar with these term should know the the "religion" was originally called PM. Within a short time of its invention its member carried out a violent attack on the British in Taranaki and suffered serious losses. The "religion" was essentially a political/mystical movement aiming to eject the British from NZ. Its founder claimed to have seen a vision which led him to this conclusion. The founder,TE Ua, was at the time widely considered to be mad. He styled himself after a common figure in traditional Maori life the matakite or soothsayer/ witch doctor/shaman who could see into the future etc. This would have appealed to the belief systems of many Maori in those times,especially in Taranaki which was the scene of ongoing violence between Maori tribes known as the Musket wars. It was accepted by Taranaki iwi that violence was the best method to get ones way. Te Ua Haumene taught his follower that if they uttered the chant "hau hau"(which sounded like a dog bark) and upheld their hands when they attacked they would be bullet proof. The Hau hau suffered huge casualties. The movement later spread to the East Coast where at first there were no British troops to oppose their messianic teachings. A minister was killed, his eyes pulled out and eaten. In the newspapers and to the public and the government the movement was known as "Hau hau". They are sometimes referred to as the militant wing of PM but there is no evidence to support the idea that there was a peaceful wing. The message of PM/HH was unequivocally the same-drive out the Europeans by violence.

Authors who have a strong anti British bias in their writings, such as James Belich , commonly use the term PM(it translates as "good and peaceful") because it suits their agenda, even though the term was seldom if ever used by contemporaries. The rebels who were jailed on Chatham island were the most militant of the Hau hau extremists. The matakite Te Kooti,famous for his extreme and ruthless brutality against settlers, adopted many of their practices and beliefs in evolving his own extreme vision "Ringatu".

The remnant religion that still exists among a tiny majority of Maori is known as PM for obvious "branding" reasons. Clearly they don't wish to be associated with the cannibalism, extreme violence and lawlessness of the Hau hau .Claudia — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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