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  • February 2002 – January 2009 – Topics: Terminology · Trance vs Techno · Jazz in Techno / IDM · Beginnings and House Influences · Links and Misc · Yorkshire Bleeps and Bass · Technopunk · Moby et al as techno "pioneers" · Detroits Role · Hardcore genres · Points of Contention - Styles · Somewhat confoozled · Redirection proposal · Genre Classification · Americans · History and artists · Loveparade · Nonsense · Krasimir loves Techno · Techno-holic concerns · POV statement · Really needed? · Influenced by progressive rock? · Bruce Haack · Journalistic hype based terminology verses genuine musicology · America-centered · Hardcore techno · Once again on the "origins"... · Japanese invented Country-Music · Techno is characterized... · Mainstream popularity · Sorry But... · Redefinition of past artists · Definition · Rename / Focus · Move some content · My two cents · A less notable Derrick May quote · Composition · More research needed on related genres
  • January 2009 – March 2012 – Topics: Nominate example tracks · Description of the genre? · Post-disco · Footers · EDM · techno or edm? · Complete re-write required. 'The Techno Twins' coined the phrase 'Techno' in 1977 · Techno a non-representational or abstract music / art? · Origins · Disputed origins again · Bud Powell · MCing · YMO and "foreign" influences · Synthpop? Electropop? · extremely us-biased perspective · What about Steve Rachmad? · Techno · FIRST TECHNO RECORD
  • July 2012 – October 2014 – Topics: Allmusic unreliable · Lots of Confusion about Techno in North America · America/ Detroit? The birth place of techno?? / The discussion is not over · Wrong Album · Pre-1988 techno- prefixes · The article describes two different genres · Acid/Acid House =(equals) American Techno · Introduction of the word "Techno" in reference to a specific genre of music?

Let's make it perfectly clear[edit]

Guys, especially mjb, who has been inactive for a while, let's clarify the following point. The Techno Sound of Detroit (1988) is not techno, regardless of how many mindless "scholar" critics are going to call it Techno. It is house, rhythmically, melodically, harmonically.

I do not concur that techno might have been created in Detroit, but calling 1988 "Detroit techno sound" techno music, as the genre, is a blatant mislabelling. Jeff Mills' "Cyclone" (1997, Detroit) is obviously techno, for example. But it was released in 1997, and that is too late. Another example, what Blake plays in a store in a movie about techno from 1996 ("Ultimate Techno"), calling it original techno sound, is also just acid house. There were lots of such tracks on both sides of Atlantic by that time, because acid house was created in 1987, and it's been a year between 1987 to 1988.

Yes, there is a lot of reliable texts explaining techno was born in Detroit, but many of them will call Cybotron's "Clear" techno as well (when it is obvious electro or electrofunk or both, no matter, but not techno at all). Somehow in this article you have managed to escape calling Cybotron's "Clear" techno (because that would be stupid). But calling "Detroit techno sound" techno music is akin to calling Cybotron's "Clear" techno music. But where is similar refusal / workaround for the "Detroit techno sound" case? I don't see it.

I'm interested first and foremost in music, so yes, I researched a bit, and I yet haven't found what could be considered the first techno record in the modern sense. I only found that Detroit guys were making techno only by 1992-1993, so far. And that's a huge timespan from 1988. I mean techno in the modern general sense, or otherwise guys claiming New Beat/Talla 2XLC spawned techno, because they used that word becomes no better than the deliberate use of the word in Detroit in 1988 - when we know that prior to its release that compilation was supposed to be called "House sound of Detroit".

In a nutshell: Yes, I am OR'ing, but obviously both Cybotron's "Clear" and "Detroit techno sound" aren't techno music. Don't use vagueness as an instrument to obscure the first techno record and calling "Detroit techno sound" "well somewhat of a beginning of techno, but not quite techno, but quite like the sound just before techno etc etc etc". This is an extremely vague wording, If there're no sources clarifying at least the year when first record that would generally be considered techno appeared, then shame on those sources, they ain't worth a dime. -- AK

Piling on to agree that this article has a very bizarre definition of techno. There's almost no mention of the genre during its heyday (early 2000s), nor any reference to the significance of global file sharing in its propagation, the role in early music streams, or really the role of the Internet at all. The major genres derived also make no appearance except in citations. This article may meet some scholarly definition, but it falls short of describing anything that makes sense even to someone with listening experience.    C M B J   06:36, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
if you think he "heyday" of techno was the early 2000s you should probably avoid commenting on this matter. 2.120.131.103 (talk) 15:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
I would have to respectfully disagree, unless we are not talking about the same genre.    C M B J   05:44, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
oh, sorry, you mean 'minimal'? right, yeah, I guess if you think that's techno you are probably right, and clearly you missed everything that happened in Europe between between 89 and 95. 2.120.131.103 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.238.105 (talk) 20:20, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
The *origins* of the genre being discussed aren't really a matter of dispute, but instead the practical meaning of the term. I would not think that many people who were introduced to techno after the advent of file sharing could ever identify with this article. It would make much better sense if titled History of techno, cut down to size, and expanded to include later works — many of which are in Category:Techno. (E: And just to be clear, I came to my sense of confusion with this article as a reader, not as an editor. I honestly find it interesting, but recognize no artists besides Kraftwerk — which is more proto-techno — and Orbital, which is a personal favorite.)    C M B J   09:03, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

What is techno?[edit]

While reading this article (which does contain a lot of musical history, which is fine), I realized that the article doesn't actual inform on what techno is as a musical style, beyond the penultimate paragraph in the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.103.54.162 (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

questionable article[edit]

"Techno is a form of electronic dance music that emerged in Detroit, Michigan, in the United States during the mid-to-late 1980s. The first recorded use of the word techno in reference to a specific genre of music was in 1988." I sense thinly-veiled historical revisionism here. I'll elaborate.

"In Detroit, techno resulted from the melding of African American music including Chicago house, funk, electro, and electric jazz with electronic music by artists such as Kraftwerk, Giorgio Moroder, and Yellow Magic Orchestra" Two out of the three musicians listed here as "influences of techno" have referred to their own music as "techno" in their own music before 1988, and this is purely off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many more examples.

"Technopolis" by Yellow Magic Orchestra (1979) interesting name of a song for a non-techno band not doing techno or referring to their music as techno. the opening lyrics to the song are "Techno, techno, techno"

"Musique non-stop" by Kraftwerk (1986)

an excerpt from the lyrics:

"Music non stop, techno-pop Music non stop, techno-pop Synthetic electronic sounds Industrial rhythms all around Music non stop, techno-pop"

there is also a song on this album literally called "techno pop" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:2:364F:A095:4C7E:5B82:25AF (talk) 02:42, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I am not someone who's interested in fixing up wikipedia articles, I am simply pointing out that this one is flawed, to such a level that I can think up two objective contradictions of the first sentence of the article off of the top of my head alone, for someone who might be interested in fixing up wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:2:364F:A095:4C7E:5B82:25AF (talk) 02:38, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I would like to add after further investigation that there are countless examples of european music throughout the early-mid eighties that fit every definition in this article of the word "techno", from bel canto, yello, the human league, and many other artists. I believe fully that this article is saturated with historical revisionism, and needs expert attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:3:7E20:F957:D5A3:4C75:B28B (talk) 19:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

did you actually read past the lead? Acousmana (talk) 21:16, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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