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Discussion archives[edit]

  • February 2002 – January 2009 – Topics: Terminology · Trance vs Techno · Jazz in Techno / IDM · Beginnings and House Influences · Links and Misc · Yorkshire Bleeps and Bass · Technopunk · Moby et al as techno "pioneers" · Detroits Role · Hardcore genres · Points of Contention - Styles · Somewhat confoozled · Redirection proposal · Genre Classification · Americans · History and artists · Loveparade · Nonsense · Krasimir loves Techno · Techno-holic concerns · POV statement · Really needed? · Influenced by progressive rock? · Bruce Haack · Journalistic hype based terminology verses genuine musicology · America-centered · Hardcore techno · Once again on the "origins"... · Japanese invented Country-Music · Techno is characterized... · Mainstream popularity · Sorry But... · Redefinition of past artists · Definition · Rename / Focus · Move some content · My two cents · A less notable Derrick May quote · Composition · More research needed on related genres
  • January 2009 – Mar 2012 – Topics: Nominate example tracks · Description of the genre? · Post-disco · Footers · EDM · techno or edm? · Complete re-write required. 'The Techno Twins' coined the phrase 'Techno' in 1977 · Techno a non-representational or abstract music / art? · Origins · Disputed origins again · Bud Powell · MCing · YMO and "foreign" influences · Synthpop? Electropop? · extremely us-biased perspective · What about Steve Rachmad? · Techno · FIRST TECHNO RECORD


"Added to this is the influence of futuristic and fictional themes[7] relevant to life in American late capitalist society, with Alvin Toffler's book The Third Wave being a notable point of reference.[8][9]" <---Seriously? I think my IQ dropped 10 points just after reading this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's strange to spend half of the second paragraph talking about a "techno spirituality" that I doubt most techno fans relate to, and isn't particularly relevant anymore. Those quote/info should probably be moved into the body of the article. (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Strings of Life[edit]

Derrick May said that he added the piano tune (which was called 'Strings of Life', written by Michael James and dedicated to Martin Luther King) to his House track in Winter 1987. After one week, the production was not even finished. So this record was most certainly released in the beginning of 1988. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Let's make it perfectly clear[edit]

Guys, especially mjb, who has been inactive for a while, let's clarify the following point. The Techno Sound of Detroit (1988) is not techno, regardless of how many mindless "scholar" critics are going to call it Techno. It is house, rhythmically, melodically, harmonically.

I do not concur that techno might have been created in Detroit, but calling 1988 "Detroit techno sound" techno music, as the genre, is a blatant mislabelling. Jeff Mills' "Cyclone" (1997, Detroit) is obviously techno, for example. But it was released in 1997, and that is too late. Another example, what Blake plays in a store in a movie about techno from 1996 ("Ultimate Techno"), calling it original techno sound, is also just acid house. There were lots of such tracks on both sides of Atlantic by that time, because acid house was created in 1987, and it's been a year between 1987 to 1988.

Yes, there is a lot of reliable texts explaining techno was born in Detroit, but many of them will call Cybotron's "Clear" techno as well (when it is obvious electro or electrofunk or both, no matter, but not techno at all). Somehow in this article you have managed to escape calling Cybotron's "Clear" techno (because that would be stupid). But calling "Detroit techno sound" techno music is akin to calling Cybotron's "Clear" techno music. But where is similar refusal / workaround for the "Detroit techno sound" case? I don't see it.

I'm interested first and foremost in music, so yes, I researched a bit, and I yet haven't found what could be considered the first techno record in the modern sense. I only found that Detroit guys were making techno only by 1992-1993, so far. And that's a huge timespan from 1988. I mean techno in the modern general sense, or otherwise guys claiming New Beat/Talla 2XLC spawned techno, because they used that word becomes no better than the deliberate use of the word in Detroit in 1988 - when we know that prior to its release that compilation was supposed to be called "House sound of Detroit".

In a nutshell: Yes, I am OR'ing, but obviously both Cybotron's "Clear" and "Detroit techno sound" aren't techno music. Don't use vagueness as an instrument to obscure the first techno record and calling "Detroit techno sound" "well somewhat of a beginning of techno, but not quite techno, but quite like the sound just before techno etc etc etc". This is an extremely vague wording, If there're no sources clarifying at least the year when first record that would generally be considered techno appeared, then shame on those sources, they ain't worth a dime. -- AK

Piling on to agree that this article has a very bizarre definition of techno. There's almost no mention of the genre during its heyday (early 2000s), nor any reference to the significance of global file sharing in its propagation, the role in early music streams, or really the role of the Internet at all. The major genres derived also make no appearance except in citations. This article may meet some scholarly definition, but it falls short of describing anything that makes sense even to someone with listening experience.    C M B J   06:36, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

What is techno?[edit]

While reading this article (which does contain a lot of musical history, which is fine), I realized that the article doesn't actual inform on what techno is as a musical style, beyond the penultimate paragraph in the introduction.