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Recent removal[edit]

I have just removed a bunch of stuff that was added recently. I don't think it was even sourced to The People of India but instead was just inserted before the existing PoI citation. Regardless, PoI is not reliable for information such as that. - Sitush (talk) 16:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016[edit]

I saw a Kapucastememeber/user from USA giving some good information on their caste, which I thought we can include the same. Please kindly add the following as listed below:

<I'm running out of COPYRIGHT REDACTED signs>

Aloksharma12 (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. This appears to be a copy/paste job from somewhere, possibly a facebook post, and we need reliable sources here for anything we put on Wikipedia. Cannolis (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

<COPYRIGHT REDACTED>

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapucastemember (talkcontribs) 14:53, 21 January 2016 (UTC) 

Just curious to know what exactly copyright redacted mean? How long does it take to publish an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.170.58.126 (talk) 11:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Redacted means that the content was removed. I removed the content because it violated copyright. You cannot copy and paste from other websites into Wikipedia, which the above user did. So, their content needed to be deleted and it cannot be added to the article --allthefoxes (Talk) 13:30, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, i have a question to Allthefoxes. Are you a member of Kapu/Telaga/Balija caste community? Why is it that Telaga Caste page on wikipedia has insufficient information compared to other castes. There is just one line of information documented and nothing much. Also, i myself just typed 'Kapu caste' on google and then clicked on latest news in Andhra. They are classified as Forward Caste from day of independence until today they are not part of backward caste category. They are currently classified as Forward Caste. When i go to Kapu caste page why is it i see that it is documented as backward? I see so many users requesting you to make changes but no action is taken. Please explain what are you looking for? Why are you so confident that no change is required. Please explain

I am not a member of any caste. I do think this article needs improvement! We just cannot take these improvements from other websites. The proposed changes are word for word copies of other text, which is illegal --allthefoxes (Talk) 21:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay, so what steps are you taking in-order to document the history of kapu and telaga caste. Are you in touch with any stakeholders to understand the community details? I feel you are not taking any appropraite steps to gather right information on these pages. They are listed as backeward which is totally incorrect and how are you planning to change it? Who are you going to consult any subject matter experts? Are you contacting government of andhra pradesh for right documentation. Please explain?

No, I am not, and none of those are going to be correct reliable sources, which is what we need to expand or work on the article. If you can find good, reliable sources, the article can be improved. You cannot copy and paste text as well. I would love to work on the article, and will do a bit o digging, but my primary concern is the mass of editors who are breaking copyvio guidelines. This article will not see any improvement if that kind of behavior continues. --allthefoxes (Talk) 22:15, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Here is a good and reliable source for this caste: It is called AP (Andhra Pradesh) Telaga Kapu Balija Sangham/Community. There address listed below: 1-2-605/2/A, Lower Tank Bund Road,Kavadiguda, Hyderabad 500080; Telephone : + 91 - 40 27612388 E- Mail : info@kapusangam.in

Please find the community portal: http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php, this website by members of Kapu community after consulting with university professors from Osmania and Andhra Universities.

Here is another link listed Kapu as forward caste: latest news on Indian Express http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Upper-Caste-Bodies-Raise-Voice-Against-Reservations/2015/09/10/article3019549.ece1

I kindly request you to make appropriate modifications

Can you justify how Telaga and Balijha is classified as backward caste?

Please click on Kapu caste page and scroll down to Kapu Title section Kapu titles Here it says "whilst the Balija and Telaga were regarded as backward castes, comprising 3 percent and 5 percent of the 1921 population, respectively.[8] However, none of these groups is currently included among the other backward class category" Just look at the above sentences they are so contradicting and doesn't make sense. Can you kindly justify ?? Also, I do not know why the page is semi protected? No one can make edits.

The article is semi-protected due to constant vandalism and copyvio issues. --allthefoxes (Talk) 00:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't see that protection is effective as the site is constantly or deliberately destructive or damage to public persona Please prioritize this as an action item to develop proper content on Kapu, Telaga and Balija castes. How soon can we expect improvements on this?

You can expect improvements when another editor feels like improving it. Either that, or you can fix it yourself by learning the appropriate wiki formatting, understanding what a reliable source is, and either making or proposing correctly formatted changes. --allthefoxes (Talk) 02:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Sources that are affiliated to castes, as seems to be the case here, are never reliable in the sense that Wikipedia defines that word. There are far too many absurd claims and far too many attempts to "puff up" the reputation etc of the community that they purport to represent, making it difficult to work out what might in fact be useful information and what is just people trying to push their point of view. What we need here are reliable sources and the best way to achieve that is to find modern books/articles etc written by academics. - Sitush (talk) 02:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Can you let me know who is Sitush? Is he belongs to Kapu Community ? Where is he located now? Are you reading any news which is oinline. Are you ready to challenge me that Kapu, Telaga and Balija are classified as backward caste today? If yes, I am ready to take next steps.

Is the User:Aloksharma12 you or someone you know? They are making similar edits that are not appropriate for Wikipedia, such as inappropriate tone or incorrect citations. --allthefoxes (Talk) 03:09, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I am not Alok

Humble request to add one liner atleast, that they are classified as Forward Caste

No, sorry. You provide no source for this and, frankly, it is extremely obvious that there is either a sockfarm or meatfarm operating here, at Kapu (caste) and Balija at the moment. I am not saying that you are wrong in fact (I don't know) but you/all of you are going about this in the wrong way and you are not listening to those of us who have tried patiently to explain the issue. The more you persist in these unacceptable comments and edits to articles, the less likely it is that you will get your way. Wikipedia has policies and guidelines to which those who wish to contribute are expected to abide. - Sitush (talk) 01:25, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── All the IPs participating in this discussion, you have two options:

  • Register user accounts, learn the Wikipedia policies and edit the article with reliable sources. Or,
  • make edit requests in the "Change X to Y" format and provide reliable sources.

If you don't do either, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. So, please stop bothering the editors and do your job.

As for adding a "forward caste" label, you have been asked repeatedly to produce a reliable source and you haven't done so. As far as I know, there is nothing called a "forward caste" in today's world. If you think I am wrong, prove it by producing a reliable source. Otherwise, go away. - Kautilya3 (talk) 02:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Archiving[edit]

I've archived some posts, a few that were very old, and one that was an edit request from a user who is now blocked. This page is subject to discretionary sanctions under WP:ARBIPA. Any posts here should be fully compliant with Wikipedia policy. Changes to the article are expected to be based on WP:Reliable sources. If you are unfamiliar with Wikipedia policy, please ask. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2016[edit]

Arvind4408 (talk) 20:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC) Telagas are the most ancient Warrior/Agricultural clans of the Deccan and South India who specialized in warfare and took to agriculture during times of peace. Modern day Telagas still continue to specialize in their traditional occupation of Agriculture but also have diversified into Trading,Industry,IT,Films etc. Origin The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 3th century A.D. The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana.[4] Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga, and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu. The Telagas have served as Nayakulu (Governors), commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers under Pulakesin. These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu from which the community name might also have been derived Telaga. They formed the bulwark of Ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas, Pallavas, Chalukyas, Kakatiyas etc. They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas. The Vassals of Chalukyas entered into Matrimonial Alliances and ultimately established the Chalukya - Chola Dynasity. The Telugu Cholas are in fact the Telagas. They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas. The important Dynasity of Telagas were the Telugu Chodas who were also the first Andhra Kings to write Inscriptions in Telugu. They ruled over the Palnadu, Velanadu and Renadu Regions of Andhra Pradesh for 400+ years as fuedals and principal clans of these regions. The Telugu Chodas formed the Base on which Chalukyan Empire flourished and were the principal combatants of the Palanadu war/Palanati Yuddam. Telugu Cholas supported Bramha Naidu in this war against the Nalagam Raju. So were the other Telugu Chola Dynasities like Renati Cholas, Konidena Cholas, Nannuru Cholas and Nellore Chola Kings. Some of the major and important Dynasities of Telagas are Telugu Chodas Velanati Chodas ( Ruled the Velanadu Region Current E.G,W.G and Krishna Districts) Renati Chodas (Ruled the Renadu Regions Current Cuddapah, Kurnool Regions) Pottapi Cholas (Ruled the Renadu Regions Current Cuddapah, Chittor Districts) Konidena Chodas (Ruled the Palanadu region Current Guntur, Prakasam Districts) Nannuru Chodas (Ruled the Pakanadu region Current Anantapur District) Nellore Chodas (Ruled the Nellore,Chittor, Chengalpeta and Cuddapah Regions) Kona Kings (Ruled the current Visakhapatnam, E.G,W.G Regions, The name Konaseema is derived after these Kings ) Koppula Chiefs(Ruled with Pithapuram as capital, W.Godavari Koppula Chiefs were one of the main Combatants along with Mununuri Nayaks , Reddy and Velama Nayaks in the Revolt against the Muslim Rule) Musunuri Nayaks( Kapaaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka liberated Andhra from the Muslim rule by bringing all the Nayaks under them and revolted against the Muslim rule after the fall of the Kakateeys Kingdom. Musunuri was not the Surname of these Kings they had Matrimonial Alliances with the Korukonda Nayaks.Ruled from Warangal as capital) Korukonda Nayaks(Ruled from Korukonda) Surnames Some Famous Surnames are Adabala,Bodapati,Kambala,Mutyala,Pappula,Gangumolu,Urrinki,Kothapalli,Balla

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Copy-pasted from some Facebook post. Also, entirely unclear what user is requesting. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Folks, i have noticed that every caste page for example Reddy caste has a column on the right which represents the status of the caste such as Forward Caste at a very quick glance for example: Reddy Religions Hinduism Region South India Status Forward caste I kindly request to add the same or follow similar pattern to add a column called 'Status' to say that Kapu, Balija and Telaga fall under Status Forward Caste. It is very confusing to read so many sub-castes under Kapu category — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giridharmurthy100 (talkcontribs) 01:33, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Admin User: I kindly request folks to add a column called 'Status' on the right hand side to say that Kapu, Balija and Telaga fall under Status Forward Caste. It is very confusing to read so many sub-castes under Kapu category.

Telaga, Kapu, Balija, Naidu are classified as Forward Caste in Andhra Pradesh as of 2016.[edit]

Telaga, Kapu, Balija, Naidu are classified as Forward Caste in Andhra Pradesh as of 2016. Please do not change it without knowing the facts. They are classified as Other Castes (OC). So many people view this online for educational, marriage alliance references. So, please do not mention them as backward caste community without proper reference or evidence. Please do not disturb the sentiments of people around the world. If you do not belong to Andhra State then you might not know the actual facts.

Telaga Telaga is a community which belongs to state of Andhra Pradesh, concentrated primarily in the coastal Areas of Andhra Pradesh such as Hyderabad, East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna, Vijayawada, Guntur districts and capital city of Hyderabad in Telangana. The Telagas are classified as Forward Caste and falls under broader category of Kapu caste by government of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana. In my humble opinion the Kapus and similar associated communities in India have the best claim to be descendants of the old Aryans. According to old tradition the king lists refer to kapus ruling in earlier times. They are referred as Telaga Kings, Warriors, and Governors in olden days. In modern times they have diversified into Information Technology, Tollywood Film Industry, served as Village Heads, Politicians, Feudal Landlords, Agriculturist, and Educationist. They have the caste title as Naidu or Dora. They share similar history as Kamma, Reddy, Velama, Balija Naidu castes. Today the Land Owners are called Kapu by the agricultural laborers, and those who served as village heads were given the title of Reddy. This is the reason the title Reddy is found among the Kapu and Reddy castes. History The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 6th century A.D. Telagas are the most ancient Kshatriya/Warrior/Agricultural clans of the Deccan and South India who are specialized in warfare. They ruled over the Palnadu, Velanadu and Renadu Regions of Andhra Pradesh as Feudatories and Principal Clans of these regions. Some of the major and important Dynasties of Telagas are • Telugu Chodas/Kings • Kona Kings • Koppula Chiefs/Kings • Musunuri Nayaks/Kings • Korukonda Nayaks/Kings The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana. Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga', and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu. The Telagas have served as Kings, Nayakulu (Governors), commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers. These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu/Rajulu from which the community name might also have been derived Telaga. They formed the bulwark of Ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas, Pallavas, Chalukyas, and Kakatiyas etc. They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas. The Vassals of Chalukyas entered into Matrimonial Alliances and ultimately established the Chalukya - Chola Dynasity. The Telugu Cholas are in fact the Telagas. They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas. Also the Telugu Cholas (Velanati Cholulu) of Palnadu War who supported Bramha Naidu in his war against the Nalagam Raju. So were the other Telugu Chola Dynasities like Renati Chola Kings, Konidena Chola Kings, Nannuru Chola Kings, and Nellore Chola Kings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.210.137 (talk) 03:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Telaga caste is not listed under Backward community[edit]

Title of the article: Telaga caste Description of Issue:  Telaga caste mentioned as Backward caste nad in MAdras State

Please find the link for list of Bcckward CLasses in state of Andhra Pradesh 2016 and 2017. http://aponline.gov.in/apportal/departments/departments.aspx?dep=03&org=111&category=Introduction

Note: Telaga caste is not listed as backward class. Please do a CTRL F to search on list of backward classes in the link provided.

Also, Telaga caste is not present in Madras State and it is only in Andhra Pradesh state. Andhra Pradesh does not come under Madras State/Tamil Nadu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.65.30.217 (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


User12: I did look into the link provided by another user that clearly does not mention Telaga as a backward caste. So, we should consider the present day scenario as India itself got it s independence after 1947 from british rule. So, they are classified as Other's or Forward with their mother caste KAPU

Some important notes for Kautilya3 user from Madras user: I am born and raised in Madras. It is no more called Madras now it is renamed to be Chennai after British rule. Also, do not mention that Telaga was classified as BAckward during madras presidency as it sounds that we Tamil people classified them i.e Telugu people as backward. Try to understand Telugu and Tamil people different all together. Also, here in Madras the first chief minister of Madras providence was Rao Bahaddur Dr Sir Kurma Venkata Reddy Naidu former Chief Minister and Governor of the Madras Presidency from Telaga /Kapu/Naidu/Balija caste. Today's most popular Tamil actor Rajnikanth who is originally from Maharashtra son in law is from Teagan/Kapu caste. They are very rich people in Chennao, Coimbatore, Madurai and Salem. They many industrities, educational institutions and many them hold advanced degrees in IT.

Also, this Telaga caste is primarily based out of Andhra region. Now, Andhra Pradesh is broken into Telangana and Andhra. Not to mention, Andhra most popular super star Chiranjeevi hails from Kapu/Telaga caste who ruled telugu/Tollywood insutry for 30 years. His brother Pawan Kalyan , All Arjun and Ram Charan are top 3 Tollywood actors today. Also, Mr. Pwan Kalyan holds a political outfit called JaNA sena which indeed helped todays Andhra government to form an also Mr. NArendra Modi (India's Prime Minister) to come in power. They are TDP. BJP and Jana Sena is one alliance. Many of them are Zamindaris, Land Owners, Merchants, Cultivators, Political Leaders, Educationists in present world.

Please do not mention that Telaga was backward during under Madras presidency. India got its independence from 1947 and today in MAdras Kapu, Telaga, Naidu, Balija are classified as Forward caste only — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.210.137 (talk) 12:18, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

In my state Tamil Nadu/Madras/Chennai: Kapu/KAmma/Telaga/Balija come under Naidu. For example look into this website: http://naidumatrimony.com/ and then click on Community. To me Kamma, Kapu, Naidu, Telaga, Balija are all called NAIDUS Reddiar/Reddy is not that rich compared to NAidu in Tamil nadu. state. I know NAIDUS are filthy rich and cannot come under BAckward category but will full under Forward caste in todays world. I guess under BRitish no one cares and does not any mention as British left India in 1947. Again, to me in Tamil Nadu for example very famous producer AM Rathnam who produced Gentleman movie etc hail from Kapu/Telaga Caste and are forward in Tamil nadu included famous actor Vijayakanth who floated a political party — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.210.137 (talk) 00:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Prominent Kapu/Telga caste leaders link below: http://kapusangam.com/p_kapulu.php#politics Politics Rao Bahadur Sir Kurma Venkata Reddy Naidu (Chief Minister of the erstwhile Madras Presidency)

Late Vangaveeti Mohana Ranga (Legendary Inspirational Leader and Congress Politician,Vijayawada) Erode Venkata Ramaswamy Naicker (Dravida Kazhagam founder, T.N.) Rokkam Lakshmi Narasimha Dora (First Speaker of A.P) Grandhi Venkata Reddy Naidu (First Law Minister of Andhra Pradesh Narsapur, WG Dist.) Pasala Suryachandra Rao (Former Speaker AP) Raobahaddur Rolla Seetharamayya Nayudu Ponnala Laxmiah (station ghanapur,warangal district)State Minister Irrigation,Govt of AP) Jakkampudi Rammohan Rao(constituency-kadiyam) (State Minister for R&B,Govt of AP) Kanna Lakshmi Narayana(pedakurupadu,guntur dist) (State Minister Transportation & Cooperative Societies,Govt of AP) Dharmapuri Srinivas(nizamabad) (State Minister for Rural development,Govt of AP) Mallipudi Pallam Raju (MP,KAKINADA)(Minister of State,Defence,Govt of India) Dasari Narayan Rao (Minister of State Mines,Govt of India) Kamcherla Kesava Rao (MP & PCC President) Chittaranjan Das (State OBC Board Chairman,Ex Minister, Ex MLA Kalvakurthi, Defeated NTR in Assembly Elections) Danam Nagendar (PCC Secretary)

Chegondi Harirama Jogayya(MP Narsapuram) V.Hanumantha Rao (Rajyasabha member) Karatam Rambabu (DCCB Chairman) Mudragada Padmanabham (TDP) Metla Satyanarayana (Former Health Minister, TDP, Amalapuram) D.K.Aadikesavulu Naidu (TDP MP,Chittoor) Ummareddy Venkateswarulu (TDP Spokes Person, Former Central minister) Ambati Rambabu (Chairman, APIIC and Congress Leader) Mandali Venkata KrishnaRao (Former MP, MLA & Minister) Mandali Buddha Prasad (MLA, Avanigadda, Krishna) Buragadda VedaVyas (MLA, Malleswaram, Krishna) Perni Venkatramaiah (Nani) (MLA, Machilipatnam, Krishna) Samineni Udaya Bhanu (MLA, Jaggaiahpeta, Krishna)

Vangaveeti Radha Krishna (MLA, Vijayawada, Krishna) Baadiga RamaKrishna (MP, Machilipatnam & Businessman) Yerra Narayanaswamy (Former MP, TDP Leader) Annayyagari Sai Prathap (Congress MP) Pagadala Ramaiah (Congress MLA) Sugavasi Palakonda Rayudu (MLA Rayachoti) Ganta Srinivas (MLA and Former MP) Vallabhaneni Bala Souri (MP, Tenali) Paidithalli Naidu (MP TDP Bobbili,vizianagaram dist) Mente Padmanabam (Ex MP TDP, Bhimavaram) Dr K. Lakshman (General Secratery for BJP State Wing) Kothapalli Subbarayudu (TDP MLA and Former POWER MINISTER, Narasapur,West) Kothapalli Janakiram (Ex MLA, TDP Youth Leader, Narasapur, West) Vatti Vasantha Kumar (Congress MLA, Unguturu) Kimidi Kala Venkata Rao (TDP MLA, Unukuru,SRIKAKULAM ) Sana Maruthi (TDP MLA, Choppadandi,ADILABAD) Vanama Venkateswara Rao (Cogress MLA, Kothagudem) Vanga Geetha (Rajyasabha member) Eli Anjaneyulu (Ex-Minister Endowments in NTR's cabinet 1983 ) Sanakkayala Aruna (Ex minister of Health) Padala Aruna (MLA Gajapathinagaram,vizianagaram dist) late C.Raja Ram (Ex minister of Finance and Power) Singam Basavapunnaiah (Former M.P) Meduri Nageswara Rao (Former Z.P Chairman, Former M.P) Karanam DharmaShree (MLA MADUGULU, Visakhapatnam) Pappala Chalapathi Rao (MP,ANKAPALLI, Former TTD Chairman) Bajireddy Govardhan (Congress MLA, Banswada) Satheesh Paulraj (congress MLA, Vemuru) Alla Nani (Congress MLA, Eluru) Karri Seetharamu (Cogress MLA, Bheemunipatnam) Matta Venkataramana (Congress MLA, Tirupati) Kottu Satyanarayana (Congress MLA, Tadepalligudem) Ramuloo Komireddi (MLA; Floor Leader, Janata Party; and Supreme Court advocate.) Kalamata Mohana Rao (MLA, PathaPatnam) A.S.Manohar (TDP MLA, Chittoor) Pathivada Narayana Swamy Naidu (TDP MLA, Bhogapuram) Pendem Dorababu (MLA, Pithapuram) Thota Narasimham (Congress MLA, Jaggampeta) Routhu Surya Prakasha Rao (Congress MLA, Rajahmundry) Grandhi Sreenivas (Congress MLA, Bhimavaram) Thota Gopalakrishna (MLA Peddapuram) Miriyala Venkat Rao (Kapunadu Leader) ALAMURI DURGA RAO (State Kapunadu Treasurer) Mallempudi Pitchiah naidu(State Kapunadu,Vice-President) Mallempudi Kotayya Naidu(State Kapunadu Organizing Secretary) Pilla Venkateswara Rao (Kapunadu , EX-President) Akkala RamaRao (Hyd city Kapunadu President ) Late Sunkara Alwar Das (Ex Minister of Education) Late Palla Venkata Rao (Ex Minister East Godavari District) Punjala Siva Sankar (Former Central Minister & Governor) RaoBahadur Badeti Venkatramaiah Naidu (Politician, Lawyer, Eluru) P. Brahmaiah (Former MLA, Rajampeta) Yeddala Subbarayudu (Former Zonal APSRTC Chairman) T Chavatapalli Satyanarayana Murthy (Tdp MLA, Palakollu) Katari Prabhakara Rao (Politician) Ambati Brahmanaiah (Politician, Bandar) Palacholla Rangaiah Naidu (Former Central Minister) Mallipudi Sanjeev Rao (former Central Minister) Gunipati Ramaiah (Former MP, Rajampeta) Late Nissankararao Venkataratnam (Former TDP MP, MLA, Assembly Speaker) Rathnasabhapathi (Former MLA) Kamichetty Parasurama Varaprasada Rao Naidu (Former MLA and Speaker, Pondicherry) Yanam (India) Bandaru Satyanarayana (Former Minister) Nachu Venkatramaiah (Former MLA) Sanakkayala Aruna (Former Minister for Health) Late Sri Polisetty Seshavataaram (Former MLA, Palacol, WG Dt) Sangeetham Venkatareddy Naidu(Former minister) Geddam Surya Chandra Rao(G.S.RAO) (PCC vice-president, EX-MLA of Congress) Annem Sesha Rao (Ex MLC ATTILI) Thota ramaswamy (First Z.P.chairman E.G.DT, Cabinet minister for record 13yrs ) Thota subbarao (minister of state and member of parliament) Dr.Koppineedi Venkatewara Rao(TDP Leader,MOGALTUR,WEST) Koppineedi Venkata Lakshmi(TDP,Mogaltur, WEST) Dr.Chinamilli Satyanarayana Rao(Secretar&Correspondent,Y.N.College,Narasapur,West) Simhadri Satyanarayna(Former Minister Endowments) Thota Ramaswamy(Z.P.Chairman, D.C.C.B chairman,Cabinet minister ) Late Maley Venkata Narayana Ex.MLA-ELURU. Butna Gopalakrishna(Rayalaseema Balija sangam,President) Pantham Gandhi Mohan (Ex DCCB Chairman East Godavari dist) Pantham Padmanabham (Ex Minister East Godavari Dist) Allu Venkata satyam(EX MLA Palakollu) Vardineedi Satyam (Late EX MLA Palakollu) Late Ghanta Krishna Murthy(M.L.C-Mudinepalli & Former Chairman-NAFED India.) 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Thota T hrimurthulu (Ex-MLA , Ramachandhrapuram, East Godavari D t ) Sanghisetti V eera B hadhra R ao (Ex-MLA , Pithapuram, East G odavari D t ) Mudhragada V eera R aghaveendhra Rao (Ex-MLA , Prathipadu, East G godavati D t ) Parvatha B apanamma (Ex-MLA , Prathipadu, East Godavari D t ) Kunapareddy V eera R aghavendhra R ao (C hinababu )(Ex-MLA ,Penugonda, West Godavari D t ) Buragadda Niranjana Rao (Ex-MLA, Malleswaram, Krishna District) Perni Krishna Murthy (Ex-Minister, Machilipatnam) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.210.137 (talk) 00:38, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Britishers never ruled south india they only ruled north india, gujarat and maharashtra[edit]

British Army never ruled south india they only ruled north india, gujarat, Maharashtra and west Bengal. Also, famous freedom fighters were from north india but south also participated. So do not try to spoil reputation of Telaga caste. They are classified as forward today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.210.137 (talk) 00:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I am afraid this is complete nonsense. You can at least read the pages linked from this article. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:10, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Government of India records indicate Kapu/Pedda Kapu/Telaga as Forward Caste[edit]

Government of India records indicate Kapu/Pedda Kapu/Telaga as Forward Caste. In olden times King lists refers to Kapu Caste in Andgra Region. Also, there is a strong indication of Chola dynasty ruled by Telaga Caste which is documented in Indian Regional Kingdoms authored by Vijay Singh Rathode. Kings/Warriors do not fall under umbrella of Backward Caste category. I strongly recommend to read this article published by Sanskrit: http://vepachedu.org/manasanskriti/kapu.htm. Many sections of Kapu/Telaga caste resemble people of Rajasthan and Haryana particularly the darker complexioned rajasthanis ( for instance some bhatti rajputs). Many of today's Kapus strongly resemble people in Chalukya and Chola paintings (By Chandan Singh Rawat)

Telaga not listed as backward category[edit]

Please read this recently published article: http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Andhra-Pradesh/2016-11-12/Manjunath-panel-jots-down-villagers-woes-/263716

Telaga caste not listed as backward category — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.210.137 (talk) 03:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Dipesh Mishra here, i do not see them listed as backward category and i feel it is not necessary to mention before independence, as India was under British rule and all Indians were treated as slaves. It is important to mention who they are today rather than past. Just a friendly suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.118.29 (talk) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Andhra Pradesh Reliable Source: Find the link for current or latest list of Backward Classes in state of Andhra Pradesh 2016 and 2017. http://aponline.gov.in/apportal/departments/departments.aspx?dep=03&org=111&category=Introduction Note: Telaga caste is not listed as backward class. Do a CTRL F to search on Telaga, they are not backward. Also Telaga caste is mostly confined to Andhra Pradesh only especially Coastal Andhra Pradesh. Telaga/Kapu means the same and they carry the title Dora which means Feudal Land Owning Castes. Also, KAmma, Kapu, Telaga, BAlija (They are all called NAIDUS) and are all similar to each other compared to Reddy. ALso BRitish never rules Andhra Region but british came to Madras. I did speak to lot of Telugu and Tamil people of Andhra and Madras state. They are both not related to each other. Also, Telugu population is a minority in Madras state. Telugu is a language spoken by Andhra People only. Among Kapu sub castes Telaga, Balija and NAidu are all classified as Forward Caste and Sub-categories such as Turpu Kapu and Munnuru Kapu are classified as BAckward Category. Try to mention in the Telaga Caste page to ovoid confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.118.29 (talk) 02:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Telaga Naidu/Kapu Naidu/Balija Naidu/Naidu come under Forward Castes as per APonline portal[edit]

Government portal of Andhra Pradesh www.APonline portal.com/departments indicates Telaga, Balija, Kapu, Naidu as not backward castes.

Also, Telaga article is very boring to read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.78.58.122 (talk) 17:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Castes and classification of Andhra Pradesh: http://scnc.ukzn.ac.za/doc/SHIP/CasteFinal.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.243.80.84 (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Description of each caste in reference to Andhra Pradesh[edit]

Update 'Telaga' caste page with the information from below URl/Link http://scnc.ukzn.ac.za/doc/SHIP/CasteFinal.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.243.80.84 (talk) 20:50, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Telaga Caste Description in reference to Andhra Pradesh/Coastal Andhra Pradesh only and not Deccan region[edit]

http://indpaedia.com/ind/index.php/Telaga — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.243.80.84 (talk) 18:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Telaga caste must be mentioned as Forward Caste. Read this article with open mind: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/telaga-community-to-bat-for-bc-status/article7853063.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.213.254.112 (talk) 00:24, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Status column required for Telaga caste[edit]

Today they are clssified as Forward caste in Andhra Pradesh. No need to mention British govenrment and madras presidency. andhra is a different state — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.155.106.130 (talk) 14:54, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Add more relevant or interesting content to Telaga caste page to read and understand[edit]

What does Telaga caste mean? What occupations do they occupy? How do they men and women look? Any famous personalities? Do they fall under kshatriya/kings/warriors ? Today are they classified as Forward caste or not by government of coastal andhra pradesh? Example: Add status column to the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.894.38.144 (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of caste status discussion[edit]

@Lourdes: I don't agree with this deletion. In the first place, it is not duplicating content from the Kapu (caste) page. It is about the status classification of the Telaga caste. Secondly, I don't think it is appropriate for unregistered users to go above our heads, so to speak, and get senior admins to make edits of their liking via Help desk requests. They haven't generated consensus here. Pinging Sitush as well. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:35, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Agree with Kautilya3. The change actually looks to me more like an attempt to remove what some caste members would consider to be a derogatory description, a problem that is common with caste-related articles. We're not censored and we shouldn't expect the reader to jump around articles for a materially significant piece of information. I'm not sure about using a blogspot source but it's late here and I'll check that out tomorrow. - Sitush (talk) 22:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello Kautilya, Sitush, hope you're doing well. I understand what you're trying to say. I've added back two of the reliable deleted references but I have tweaked the sentences a bit from those sources to represent exactly what they mention. I've not added the blogspot source as that is unreliable. Please give a look to the article and do please feel free to liberally revert my changes (or even the earlier deletion in case you believe you would want that within the article). Warmly, Lourdes 01:30, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Lourdes: Why don't we add a status column to this Telaga caste just like for its parent caste Kapu. Are they are classified as Forward caste today in modern history by current government instead of K Srinivasulu?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [([[User talk:#top|talk]]) 02:27, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure. We'll need a reliable source that confirms the same. Would you be able to provide such a source here? Thanks. Lourdes 04:16, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Well, scratch my previous sentence. I've found a reliable source and added it to the article along with the detail to the infobox. Thanks. Lourdes 04:33, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Oddly enough, government sources are not usually considered to be reliable for caste articles. That's because they often contradict each other, contain ambiguities, cite deprecated Raj writers without much thought for reality, change frequently depending on which community is shouting the loudest on a particular day, etc. If you review the history of the Kapu article, I think you will realise that you have probably been dealing with a sock also. It's a tricky area, is caste on Wikipedia. You've done well to even find a government source that lists any community as Forward because it is a default category, ie: if not Other Backward Class, Scheduled Caste etc then must be Forward. Whether it is accurate is a whole new ballgame and it is perhaps a classic example of why not to use primary sources (in this instance, legal documents) unless there is also a secondary to support it. Probably best not to make a habit of it. - Sitush (talk) 06:33, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
This is an interesting document, partly because of its rarity in seemingly trying to list all groups that are not in OBC, ST, SC categories. It includes Telaga but note that for some reason it very deliberately avoids using the word Forward and, while it may just be a case of bureaucratic dotting i's/crossing t's, it is appealing to the public for input regarding its accuracy! - Sitush (talk) 06:59, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sitush. I can fathom your point; it's a complicated nation. I'm not an expert on the Indian caste system. In my research, I sense that it is the government that classifies classes as backward class. Therefore, in my opinion, it may be appropriate to go by the government source definition of whether Telaga is (or is not) backward. I also sense that journalists and researchers may use the term "backward class" literally rather than through the lens of the strict governmental definition. Therefore, to play safe, I suggest that we remove the "forward class" definition from the infobox and the article, and rather tweak the sentences to clarify that Telaga is not (yet) classified as a backward class by the government. What do you and Kautilya have to say on this? I'll appreciate your inputs significantly. Warmly, Lourdes 14:09, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
I'll let Kautilya3 post their thoughts first but just for your info, the designation of "Backward Class" originated in the later years of the British Raj. They originally introduced a census category called "Depressed Classes", later adjusted to BC. Census of India prior to independence gives you a flavour of the complications (even if it does mean I am blowing my own trumpet as the major contributor). - Sitush (talk) 14:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Lourdes: Sigh. There are a lot of politics here, and there is reality too. We say a caste group is "backward" (or perhaps, more appropriately, "disadvantaged") if the economic indicators show that they are significantly lagging behind the rest of the population. My belief is that Telagas are indeed in that situation. However, they form a subcaste of Kapus, who are agricutlurists in general. So there seems to have been a lot of pushing and shoving to make sure that they are not treated differently from the overall Kapu group. The government goofed at some point, and it hasn't been able to correct the situation despite some efforts. (This was the point of the blogpost that you deleted, which was mostly giving factual information.)

Now, in terms of caste politics, almost all castes want the forward caste status and backward caste status at the same time, the former for the glory and the latter for the affirmative action benefits. Obviously, that can't happen. So, while their caste members are campaigning to get labelled as "forward caste" here, the other membes are protesting on the streets asking for "backward caste" status.[1][2][3][4][5] The irony of this is totally lost on them!

Officially, the government doesn't award anything called a "forward caste" status. The term is used informally as the opposite of "backward". But it doesn't really mean much. It is just saying that they are in the default category. That is why Sitush and I resisted putting "forward caste" in the infobox. We don't have any positive information that demonstrates the forwardness of the caste. For some castes such as Brahmins and Rajputs, the forwardness is obvious, and we can find plenty of reliable sources that attest to their forwardness. But that is not the case here. In fact, there is considerable evidence that they are not forward, as the above references imply.

The Government Order you cited somehow lets them have the cake and eat it too. They are not officially branded as "backward", but some of the money earmarked for backward castes is being chanelled to them. That might be best in terms of the practicality of politics. But it would mean that we shouldn't label them as forward in the infobox, because tomorrow somebody can come and complain that we are labelling them as "forward" while they are getting money meant for backward castes. The reality is probably that they are somehwere in between. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 19:39, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Well put, Kautilya3. And that elaborates nicely on my comment above re: there being no mention of forward in the document I found, as well as perhaps highlighting my point re: internal contradictions vis-a-vis government documents. We (Wikipedia) are being used as part of a legitimisation game that is being played out in the real world. I have little doubt that people will cite this article when it suits their cause, just like other castes do, but it isn't our job to make decisions like this and when there is doubt + lack of secondary sources it is usually best for us to say nothing. - Sitush (talk) 19:52, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Kautilya, Sitush, thanks for providing these insights. I've gained clarity on multiple points. Likewise, I have removed the notes of the community being classified as forward in both the infobox and the main text. I have also given the exact quote from the government order rather than use it to paint the whole community as being forward. Finally, I've created a new notes section to provide a citation for something that had a citation needed tag. I hope the current format looks acceptable. Do tell please. Thanks for taking this much effort to respond. Warmly. Lourdes 00:58, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Well, I am afraid that the classification done in the Madras Presidency, during the British colonial administration, is important, because that was when caste was taken seriously. After independence, the Indian government decided that caste should be banished, and so nothing was done to uplift any castes. So whatever was the reality during the British times continues to be so today. So, I will reinstate that. Balagopal's assertion that the union of all the Kapu subcastes is "unconsummated" is out of date. In recent developments, all Kapus acted in unison. So, I will amend that as well. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello Kautilya3, I'm in broad overall agreement with your edits. Some points I feel you may consider are 1. To not delete Balagopal's assertion that the union of subcastes is unconsummated. This is a cited scholarly statement. I feel if you personally disagree with it, then you should perhaps counter the statement using reliable sources to provide the alternative view, rather than deleting the initial scholarly view. 2. "...whatever was the reality during the British times continues to be so today. So, I will reinstate that..." You may of course reinstate that; but do consider not using the blogspot source to support the same. Thanks for the edits you have made till now; they add good value and structure. Warmly. Lourdes 02:41, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Request made at the Editor Assistance Noticeboard[edit]

The following request was made at EAR and is being copied here for someone versed in the subject matter of this article to deal with. — TransporterMan (TALK) 16:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC) (Not watching this page):

This is incorrect - In 2002, K. Srinivasulu describes Telaga as a "backward peasant caste". Government records indicate they are forward caste[7] Correction - Telaga caste was never categorized under Backward peasant caste after the formation of andhra pradesh state in 1956 though various efforts were made to include them under Backward category. So K. Srinivasulu analysis is indeed wrong. Also , they are vaishnavites in general. What is there varna ? Are they kshatriyas/Kings/Warriors in olden times? Answer is all of the above. Do we have any famous personalities ? Answer is yes here is the link for famous personalties: http://naidukapu.blogspot.com/2009/09/kapu-famous-personalitieskapu-balija.html what is the culture, food habits and occupations ? http://indculture0.tripod.com/kapu.htm Do they carry caste title naidu or rao? Why are they compared to Reddy and Kamma naidu castes ? I guess both Telaga naidu and Kamma naidu fall under NAIDUS. Check out this link - http://naidumatrimony.com/ and click on Community drop down to see both Kamma and Telaga under one category Kindly update with above information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.134.38.244 (talk) 02:46, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

The issue of forward versus backward caste has already been discussed significantly above and consensus matches the current state of the article. Also, blogspot/tripod/naidumatrimony.com are unreliable sources and cannot be relied upon for editorial validation. Thanks. Lourdes 09:04, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
@Lourdes: there has been a very disruptive sockfarm operating re: these titular and status claims. Since that farm is recently active, I would be inclined simply to ignore any comments by anons and newly-registered accounts which clearly do not meet our policies etc. - Sitush (talk) 09:15, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Folks, after my last round of research into the subject, I have become more sympathetic to the claims being made here. In particular, it appears that K. Srinivasulu is wrong. The Telagas are the farmers of the West and East Godavari districts. It is quite preposterous to say that all of them were "backward", whatever that might mean. The Godavari districts are fertile lands, the original home of the Telugu people dating back to the centuries BC. There is good evidence that "Telaga" is a derivative of "Telugu". I will fix these problems next time I come around to this topic. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 12:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)