Talk:TempleOS

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Determine if this OS is the product of a deranged mind, or an incredible trolling attempt.[edit]

Having seen the gassed thread on Something Awful and looked at various screenshots, one has to wonder if this OS is even a serious attempt or simply a pisstake at the insanity that some fundamentalist suffer from. For example, he steadfastly refused to include a standard VESA driver, and is schizophrenic. Can research be done into the matter? This is someone who has called their own psychologist an idiot, and more to the point, the lovely n-bomb.

Perhaps its the ravings of a madman, but if that were the case, I would have expected Involuntary commitment to have occurred by now and for his OS to have vanished. 76.125.252.80 (talk) 04:43, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

There appears to be ample evidence that T. Davis suffers from ranting on about all manner of things, using colourful langugue. However temple os is a serious project, with 100,000 lines of code (including a 22,000 line complier) which leaves little doubt as to T. Davis's technical ability and dedication (since he did it all himself ?) Unfortunately Davis appears to have no intention of his OS doing anything more than a commadore 64 and hasn't included any useful features a true modern OS would have (such as networking and hardware support). The whole God thing is weird, but just a little insanity rather than anything else. (Repeated use of the N-word suggests that he might be racist?) Aguyintobooks (talk) 23:53, 29 July 2015 (UTC). Looking at his explanation http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Home/Web/TAD/Racism.html#l1, it seems he's using the N-word more for shock than to be racist. What's going on in his head may be a different matter though BiggRanger 20:43, 10 Feb 2016 (EST)

I have spend a lot of time going through the source code for this project, this is a complete functioning open source operating system with a compiler, games, and many additional tools. This is not a trolling attempt. BiggRanger 20:41, 10 Feb 2016 (EST).

Maybe it really is divinely inspired. OakMiner (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Outsider Art?[edit]

Would this fall under the definition of outsider art? Peppercats (talk) 03:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't think so, according to the broadly accepted definition "include certain self-taught or naïve art makers who were never institutionalized" TempleOS would not fall under outsider art since according to Terry's website, he has a bachelor's in Computer System Engineering from ASU [1] BiggRanger (talk) 02:13, 18 Oct 2016 (UTC)

It's the definition of outsider art.--184.63.159.28 (talk) 01:50, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Network Code[edit]

As described you have full access to all computer memory and interrupts, including the addresses of Serial Ports and handling of Interrupts to be used as a NULL modem connected to a for example another PC running Linux. It sure has network support therefore, Terry however is concerned about privacy and wants his operating system to be perfect. Remember the good old days you set a jumper for a DMA memory address and an interrupt for your Serial Port? Sure TempleOS has Network support. It is very easy to connect to the internet with it too. But it is experimental and done by other developers who consider TempleOS, I know this sounds strange, a religion to free them of Microsoft and Linux/BSD/Unix has grown around Terry his operating system, like Microsoft once was considered to reliefe of IBM, Terry might say words like people with Gille La Tourette Syndrome, but everybody knows Terry doesn't hate black people but uses the N word to point to bad people. Until now successfully 56k6 datatransfer has been reached by extracting ARSTECHNICA its frontpage into standard A-Z text. People concerned about privacy like his Operating System since it is so small it can be screened easily. Above his Operating System other code of a user can run. Terry basicly created the base of an Operating System that can be easily checked for code and still is extensible with own code. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.152.162.69 (talk) 18:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

There are no network drivers for any network cards included in TempleOS or on his website. TempleOS does not even have a TCP/IP stack. There exists code on his website to enable and use the serial ports on the host PC, and data transfer is possible using serial ports. Can you provide evidence that "Sure TempleOS has Network support. It is very easy to connect to the internet with it too." is true/possible? BiggRanger (talk) 02:21, 18 Oct 2016 (UTC)

TCP over RS-232 in TempleOS, along with a package manager: https://github.com/minexew/Shrine Wfr (talk) 04:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

HolyC - elaboration[edit]

Who created HolyC? Is Terry A. Davis the sole developer of it?

Yes he devoted the last years of his life to it. The development took so much of him. Actually the more he became hooked onto days of programming with Red Bull and Coffee, now and then a short sleep, the more he acted different. It's a tragedy. Worked himself to death?

31.21.23.175 (talk) 10:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

What??? He's not dead, and HolyC was developed early on in TempleOS by Terry alone. Also he's not a coffee and Red Bull drinker, he prefers some store brand diet cola. Plus he has some weird 48 hour sleep cycle where he sleeps 16 hours. BiggRanger (talk) 01:20, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

MISSING: Terrence Andrew Davis, Terry A. Davis[edit]

At the day of the 6th month of the year 2017 at day 6th, at 6 O'Clock Terry is missing. It is impossible to detect where he is. All his accounts have been terminated on all websites, Youtube, Twix, Usenet, Internet, his personal Website. His previously website as of that date does no longer belong to a person named Terry A. Davis. We ask you polite to help us with information if you know where Terry is. Since all his accounts are banned, and all code of TempleOS has been erased.

Terry A Davis, see Wikipedia for TempleOS seems to have gone missing. We are very worried. Are you able to provide more information? His website has been hijacked, the WHOIS information suddenly changed. Terry A Davis started go missing a few days ago, at this moment only harassment videos on Youtube can be found. His former website TempleOs.org seems to be modified behind Terry his normal behaviour (from his point of view). Also all source code has vanished, something Terry would never do. Please help us and let us know if you can help investigate what happened to Terra A Davis. We are very worried. It makes no logic Terry would destroy all the source code and replace it with that he is just a monkey.

We have contacted his neighbourhood in Las Vegas, State of Nevada.

Please respond, if you can help. 31.21.23.175 (talk) 10:58, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


Terry is not missing (he's still living with his parents), he stated in a video that he is becoming more like a monk and needed to get rid of a lot of things. His behavior has changed a lot, I believe it may be because he became a popular target of trolls from 4chan. I have in my possession almost every youtube video from his 3 channels, and mirror of templeos.org from May 15th, 2017. I will work on re-hosting these soon (he has stated that all his videos are 100% public domain). BiggRanger (talk) 00:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

As of week up to 19th Sept 2017, he's homeless, living in a car. He was briefly hospitalized. His parents threw him out. 81.154.125.203 (talk) 23:25, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


Can confirm he is evicted, still living in his car as of date posted. CaptainGummyBearz (talk) 23:33, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Added link to archive.org since Terry has deleted TempleOS from his website.[edit]

Terry has removed almost everything TempleOS related from his web page, I've added a link under External Links (at the bottom of the Wiki) to an archive of his whole website and operating system on Archive.org, I'm just wondering if we should also put a link to the archive under the link of his official web site? BiggRanger (talk) 02:58, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Photographs of Terry[edit]

TempleOS.org (archive, because it changes regularly) has pictures of Terry listed under a gallery labelled as "Download free, public domain images". Image 1, Image 2 Could these be included in the article? --Inops (talk) 10:49, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Is there any warrant to creating a Terry Davis page?[edit]

Reportedly, (according to facebook friends of his), he has died, and he had built up quite a following of people interested in him and his behavior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnch18 (talkcontribs) 03:48, 1 September 2018 (UTC)


As an anonymous fan of Terry, it breaks my heart that he does not have a Wikipedia page. Please consider it a possibility. I can understand not everyone gets to have a Wikipedia page, but Terry was a seriously skilled programmer in many ways. Linus Torvalds gets his own Wikipedia page for creating a kernel, admittingly one of the worlds most popular ones. But Terry did that, created a compiler to go with it along with his own programming language, built an entire OS with that and to boot he did it all by himself. I'm skipping so many things to stay brief. Please grant me and many other Terry fans some solace in knowing that the man at least gets to have his own Wikipedia page. 85.150.220.198 (talk) 04:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

He can't have his own article until his life has been substantially written about. See WP:BASIC.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 09:19, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2018[edit]

There is no proof of his death. Until further news and details about what supposedly happened, it shouldn't be even mentioned. The part stating: "Davis died on August 30, 2018 in an apparent hiking accident" should be simply removed. Templar88 (talk) 10:14, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done Until someone add it with a reliable source. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 11:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
His family confirmed his death on Facebook, but the posts are restricted to those who have them added as "friends".--Ilovetopaint (talk) 11:09, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
As of Sep 2 the official website for TempleOS has been changed to state "In the wake of Terry A. Davis' passing his family has requested supporters of his donate to 'organizations working to ease the pain and suffering caused by mental illness'..." It seems official information will not be available to the press until some time after the Sep 3 holiday. Derek M (talk) 03:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Message has been removed from the site as of Sep 3. Derek M (talk) 16:14, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
As of Sep 4, the website has been changed to a link to the official TempleOS IRC channel and the phrase "Rest in peace!" Derek M (talk) 21:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Terry's public Facebook page has been changed to "Remembering Terry A. Davis.[edit]

https://www.facebook.com/people/Terry-A-Davis/100025903548224 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.41.119.255 (talk) 14:08, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

That Facebook account is proven to be fake and created by the twitter user "TheTemple". As for the "remembering", anyone can ask to memorialize an account. This is the real one: https://www.facebook.com/terrence.a.davis1 (archive link)Templar88 (talk) 15:58, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Yet, if you click on his actual account (that you linked) on the friend Therese Davis (apparently married a brother of his), you will see this photo which states "Their deaths were unrelated other then all part of our family and passed on in August", with Terry A Davis being pictured in the lower left quadrant. So it seems his death is actually confirmed. Henk Poley (talk) 06:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Those posts on Facebook don't meet Wikipedia's standards for reliable sources and since multiple edits have been made against the consensus reached on this Talk page I have requested the protection to be increased temporarily even further. Derek M (talk) 06:52, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
You do as you want, just pointing out the data. I've long learned to not edit controversial pages. Henk Poley (talk) 06:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Apparently this memorial profile page linked by (39.41.119.255) was his newer profile. It is also befriended with Therese Davis (and other Davis'es). Henk Poley (talk) 06:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
As I've already said (but no one seems to be reading), the memorialized account IS FAKE. You can read this article about the imposter.Templar88 (talk) 15:57, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Templar88: Link doesn't work for me. Derek M (talk) 16:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Derek M: Does this alternative domain work? https://archive.is/SMNEB (note the change from .fo to .is). If the archive still doesn't work, this is the non-archived article.Templar88 (talk) 16:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Templar88: The alternative domain did not work for me either, but the non-archived article did. The source is a bit questionable but I think it is getting us closer to the truth. It doesn't explain the full story though, such as his official website being changed to state he passed away and then reverting. Derek M (talk) 16:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • This is a highly unusual subject. Screenshots can be faked and family members can be fooled into believing their relatives are deceased. Best we can do right now is maybe add Template:Recent death presumed to the article. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 14:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

The TempleOS site says he is dead. Fairly sure, now, that he is 100% dead. Belsima (talk) 00:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 2 September 2018[edit]

"Terry Andrew Davis" to "Terrence Andrew Davis". Thanks.Ilovetopaint (talk) 14:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC) Ilovetopaint (talk) 14:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mz7 (talk) 20:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
@Mz7: http://archive.is/ADCxL Ilovetopaint (talk) 12:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Mz7: It's true. His full name is actually "Terrence Andrew Davis", even though he commonly used Terry Davis. This is a transcript from his University where it cleary states the full name.Templar88 (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Ilovetopaint: Nearly every source refers to him as Terry, and since Terry is not notable enough for his own article (currently; this could change) we should just use Terry according to WP:NICKUSE. Derek M (talk) 16:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Derek M: Then for coherence it should be "Terry A. Davis" and maybe in parentheses specificy his full name. Templar88 (talk) 16:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Per, MOS:FULLNAME, he should be introduced by his full name since 1) the article is secondarily about him 2) he has no dedicated article for himself. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 16:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Ilovetopaint: Thank you for clarifying. Derek M (talk) 16:44, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 Done Okay we seem to have a consensus — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
@MSGJ: I'm sorry but I think we have had a miscommunication. When I said I agreed with Ilovetopaint (talk) that "he should be introduced by his full name" I had thought we were agreeing to change "Terry A. Davis" to "Terrance 'Terry' A. Davis." The presumption is that Terry is a common nickname for Terrance; a quick Google search reveals that, yes it is used, but I had never heard of it, so I'm not sure if it's common in general. Secondly, every source in TempleOS refers to the creator as "Terry" and never "Terrance," so it's bound to cause confusion. Finally, no citation was added to the article for "Terrance" so it's bound to get changed back sometime in the future by a user thinking it's a typo. Derek M (talk) 21:45, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Terry Melcher, Terry Gilliam, and Terry Pratchet ... It's pretty well known that "Terry" is short for "Terrence". --Ilovetopaint (talk) 21:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough, disregard. Derek M (talk) 21:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 September 2018[edit]

Change "born December 15 1969" to "December 15, 1969 - August 11, 2018" Terry A. Davis passed away in a train accident on August 11th, 2018 in The Dalles, Oregon. MrJojo (talk) 20:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Terry has passed away...[edit]

The reporter Neita Cecil from TheDallesChronicles was telephonically contacted and confirmed that the victim of this accident was Terry A. Davis. Another confirmation came from the police officer Jamie Carrico. See: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/terry-a-davis-terrence-andrew-davis.325/page-82 or https://archive.fo/5ewOR Templar88 (talk) 20:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Templar88: I would be very wary of using kiwifarms (a user forum) as a WP:RELIABLE source Derek M (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
His death has now been confirmed by TempleOS.org. Retroity (talk) 22:21, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
@Derek M: I agree, but soon after I personally received an email from The Dalles police department stating the same thing. Here's a screencap. I'm aware that it's not a reliable source still. A rumor suggested that TheDallesChronicles may write a follow-up article about the accident, and perhaps that would hold to the standards.Templar88 (talk) 10:08, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 September 2018[edit]

  1. Remove reference 7 (unreliable YouTube video). The information was already verified in the next citation (reference 8).
  2. Add to lead: (December 15, 1969 – August 2018)[1]
  3. "Davis describes" => "Davis described"
  4. "Davis proclaimed" => "Davis was a former atheist who proclaimed" (sourced below, was reverted)
  5. Add <ref name="VICE"/> ref after "single audio voice."

--Ilovetopaint (talk) 21:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "TempleOS". templeos.com. September 2018. Retrieved September 4, 2018. Terry A. Davis (1969 - 2018). Rest in peace!

Terry A. Davis section[edit]

@Chrissymad and Smuckola: I would like to see the reasons for removing a short biography section on Terry A. Davis. The appeals to WP:N and WP:RS are not valid: WP:N deals with notability of an article, not its content, see WP:NNC, and the source [2] (biography from Vice (magazine)) is reliable enough to be used elsewhere in this article. --M5 (talk) 21:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

@M5: I did not revert your changes, but I believe WP:N was mistakenly used as justification when it should have been WP:OFFTOPIC. The article should be primarily related to the operating system, not its creator. Information on the creator can be given if it directly pertains to the subject of the article. For example, Davis's schizophrenia is mentioned in the article, but in doing so it gives background on the subject. From looking at one fact that you contributed, for example, the fact that Davis has an engineering degree is irrelevant for the topic of TempleOS. Derek M (talk) 21:15, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Featured article NeXT has a section NeXT#Background which starts with description of Steve Jobs' work in SuperMicro division and success of its products. Another bio section from featured article: Halkett boat#Peter Halkett tells about an ancestry, interests and career of the inventor. So the inclusion of the short section with relevant parts of the founder/inventor/developer biography is totally appropriate by the standards of the featured content. And engineering degree of Davis is as relevant for the topic of TempleOS as Steve Jobs' work in SuperMicro to NeXT or Peter Halkett's ancestry and Navy rank to Halkett boat. --M5 (talk) 21:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Well you make a strong argument, especially in my opinion the Halkett boat example. I would be in favor of your new section (not your other changes), and in fact, I think we could add even more to that section once the other users you pinged responded and once we find the relevant citations, such as: 1. Davis frequently used a program on TempleOS to generate random parts of the bible, and published these lists of words on his website and on Facebook. 2. He eventually stopped taking his medication and wandered around like a "monk" (his words if I remember correctly) and uploaded videos where he rants about finding a location with good "energy." 3. On this Talk page there is an arrest warrant for him. 4. He went missing at one point and his family posted online asking for help. Derek M (talk) 22:24, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this is totally wrong. It is preposterous to take this article which is WP:N only by the scantest of all possible standards and has absolutely no chance at being a featured article, and compare it to a featured article about some of the most notable and world-changing stuff ever to exist. And to compare the background of Steve Jobs to this guy. If it wasn't for that preposterousness, there would still be WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS which is not at all how we gauge encyclopedic merit. If you want to say that it doesn't trip WP:NNC then I'll cite the link mentioned within the WP:NNC section, which is WP:UNDUE. A whole biography section is undue weight, because all the relevant stuff is already in the article — and very succinctly and poignantly interspersed. The guy's biography does not in any way connect to the notability of the article's subject. As @Derek M: so eloquently said above, it is also WP:OFFTOPIC and all his given reasons serve to demonstrate why it would be WP:UNDUE. But then in a later comment, Derek M goes off the rails and contradicts everything he already said with "once we find the relevant citations". No I'm sorry but you won't find the relevant citations as the only citations relevant to an encyclopedia are from a WP:RS whereas you're talking about facebook and other self-published sources WP:SPS. And that's aside from the fact that the content you're talking about is WP:TRIVIA to begin with. I don't mean to take a contrarian or negative tone but everything stated in the last two comments here flies in the face of encyclopedic merit and twists all requisite standards into a WP:POV or WP:FANCRUFT (see wikia.com). And you guys seriously know better. :) — Smuckola(talk) 08:57, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
To WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS claims I'd say that WP:Some stuff exists for a reason, and the featured content in most cases reflects community consensus. On WP:UNDUE claims and comparison to Jobs: if Peter Halkett section in boat article or Jobs background section in NeXT have due weight in the respective articles, then Terry Davis section would have a due weight in this article because: 1) Davis has the same relation to his creation as Hackett and Jobs to theirs and 2) the relevance of Davis' biography details to the TempleOS is supported by reliable sources: both Vice and TechRepublic pieces (which are two main sources for most of this article) show the relation of Terry Davis' biography and personality to the OS he's created ("Neutrality requires that each article... fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources" WP:DUE). --M5 (talk) 10:50, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
You've twisted my argument from using his Facebook posts as evidence of what Davis used the OS for into an "off the rails" argument that Facebook is a reliable source. It is quite simply untrue that I made that point. I mentioned Facebook to use as a citation for him publishing lists of words from the bible, which is one of the main things he used the OS for. If you would actually read WP:SPS you would see that it is perfectly acceptable to use Davis's self-published Facebook posts as a source for this as proof that these posts happened so long as 1. the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim. - It's not. 2. It does not involve the claims about third parties - They don't, they're just lists of words. 3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source - It is undoubtedly relevant to the article what the operating system was even used for. 4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity - There isn't. 5. the article is not based primarily on such sources - Nope, since it would be just one sentence in the article. It would seem that the majority of your argument is that this bio section would present a non-neutral POV. However according to the Neutrality FAQ, neutrality should not be used as justification for outright removal of content, unlike more "serious" offenses like verifiability or reliability, and instead changes should be discussed in the Talk page on how to adjust the content's POV. So again, I disagree with your revert on POV grounds. And before making comments that we should know better, I'd like to remind you that some people can actually be new to this site and are still learning the relevant policies, which is difficult when much of what you link to as justification actually disagrees with your opinion upon closer reading. Maybe they actually do support your argument, but I personally did not understand the majority of your points, which looked like a policy bomb to me. I think you've successfully WP:POV_railroaded me out of this discussion, so I'll take my leave. I'll think twice next time before poking my head into a revert that was none of my business. Derek M (talk) 17:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
  • So far no reasons for the urgency of removing the section were given, but there are some valid concerns for discussion. Therefore I'm going to reinstate the section and put a cleanup tag on it, until the concerns are resolved, as recommended by WP:PRESERVE. --M5 (talk) 11:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
As no consensus has been reached, M5 I'd advise you revert your actions as it goes against what most are saying here and you're likely to wind up at 3RR. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 11:03, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
No consensus has been reached for removing the section either. Reinstalling some content with a cleanup tag is a non-reverting compromise, not a revert, and it invites other users to contribute to the discussion. As for "most are saying" argument, User:Derek M supported reinstalling (with some conditions), User:Smuckola provided some arguments against the section, both were constructive. But your most constructive contribution to the discussion so far is your "Rst good" comment to otherwise silent revert. --M5 (talk) 11:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

HOPPY[edit]

Should the HOPPY operating system be mentioned in the former names? I've looked through a bit of the source and though not many, there's still a few lines of code that remain in TempleOS.

https://web.archive.org/web/20041017164256/http://www.simstructure.hare.com/OS.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20040704040043/http://www.simstructure.hare.com/HOPPY.ZIP 73.180.50.41 (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Maybe not as an alternative name, but an origin? Not able to boot the IMG though. 78.62.128.217 (talk) 15:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Although pretty different from TempleOS, the source code looks similar to J. I'm not really able to make any comparisons though since I can't get either past initial boot. I managed to start HOPPY in VirtualBox just by adding the .IMG to the first floppy drive. After starting it, I get to the point where it says "Drive A: Floppy and Drive B Floppy (Unsupported)". 73.180.50.41 (talk) 10:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Improvements and lead[edit]

@Ilovetopaint: Thanks for improving. One thing that's on my TODO list, in case you'd like to also help, is that the lead may be too long or include too many details (some material duplication between the lead and body rather than a proper summary of the body). Thanks again, —PaleoNeonate – 17:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't believe the lead is too long. There aren't any details I would remove other than maybe the "smartest programmer" remark and replacing the fan comments with something more general. The length is appropriate for the size of the article and mentions everything interesting, extraordinary, and notable about the subject (except for the expressions of racism that were inextricable to Davis' writings and personality).--Ilovetopaint (talk) 17:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)