Talk:Temple Mount

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"possibly prompted by governmental pressure on the rabbis"[edit]

I deleted that because the source doesn't have it. What that source has (in relation to a different ruling anyway) is the government's restrictions on Goren and his followers, now explained in more detail. The source actually says that "no direct evidence exists to show that the government influenced rabbis to arrive at a prohibition". Zerotalk 04:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Simple edit being reverted many times for "original research" despite a clear source from the Knesset website[edit]

Check the history for the edit. What is wrong with sourcing the legal conflict related to the effective ban on non-Muslim prayer on the Temple Mount? SmartIsrael (talk) 01:59, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

The website does not say what your edit says. If there is a High Court ruling that the regulations violate the law, you can cite that, but you won't find any. Who are you to contradict the government's position that Clause 4 allows such regulations? Zerotalk 03:59, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Precisely. The law is one thing, but to state that the court's decision is contrary to the law is your personal opinion or original research. Debresser (talk) 16:24, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
The court decision is contrary to the current Israeli police practice of forbidding prayer on the Temple Mount by non-Muslims. Read my edit word for word. That practice runs afoul of the existing law, yet it is done to maintain the "status quo". I simply clarified that the current practice is actually illegal according to Israeli law. SmartIsrael (talk) 03:35, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
You seem to be unaware of Wikipedia policy. You should study WP:V and WP:NPOV before editing more. Those are policies which are compulsory. In a nutshell, it doesn't matter in the least that you believe a regulation violates a law. Even if you were a legal expert (which you obviously are not), it still wouldn't matter in the least. You will also gain from reading WP:RS. Zerotalk 04:52, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

What is the point of this synthesis?[edit]

According to the Bible the site should function as a governmental, judicial and, of course, religious center.[citation needed][improper synthesis?]

Shouldn't it simply be removed?

Yes, unless a decent (or indecently reliable) secondary source is found with the same analysis.

Jesus in Herod's Temple[edit]

@Zero0000: According to the Bible, Jesus went into the temple and drove out the money lenders by hitting them with a whip. After that he confirmed himself as the Messiah to the priests. I wonder if that can be added to the article under history section. I think it should be added there. KahnJohn27 (talk) 22:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't belong in the history section. it belongs in the section on the significance of the place to Christians. However it seems to be essentially already there. Zerotalk 02:42, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Poor source[edit]

This text was added:

Although the ban on Jews entering Jerusalem or the surrounding territory remained in force, many emperors did not enforce it strictly and sometimes Jews were allowed to enter the city during holy days of Jewish calendar. Under Constantine I this ban was enforced again although with some changes. Jews were allowes to live in the surrounding territory once again and were allowed in Jerusalem once a year on Tisha B' Av to pray at the Western Wall where they could mourn the destruction of the Second Temple. (Source: [1])

This source is entirely unreliable. Right on the same page there is the nonsense that the Western Wall is part of the temple. No historian believes that. Nor is there any evidence that the part of the retaining wall called the Kotel became a particular focus of devotion (over the northern or eastern walls that are mostly of the same age) until much later. If Constantine allowed Jews to visit on Tisha B' Av, feel free to return it with a proper source. Zerotalk 08:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Actually this information comes from Jerome. I reinserted it with a proper source. Zerotalk 13:13, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
... except that the real sources don't mention the Western Wall; that much was just an invention of the poor source. The Bordeaux Pilgrim's text suggests they might have approached the rock on the summit of the mount, but nobody knows for sure what "pierced stone" (lapis pertusus) he referred to. Jerome just says "the pitiable nation weeps over the ruin of its Temple". Anything more specific than these is speculation. Zerotalk 01:38, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Temple Mount

An aerial view of the Temple Mount, one of the most important religious sites in the Old City of Jerusalem. Dominated by three religious structures from the early Umayyad period—the al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock and the Dome of the Chain—the mount also has walls which date to the Herodian dynasty, including the Western Wall.

The Temple Mount is the holiest site in Judaism, in which it is regarded as the place where God's divine presence is manifested most frequently. In Christianity, it is held to have been the location of both Solomon's Temple and the Second Temple. Sunni Muslims consider the Mount the third holiest site in Islam, associating it with Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem and ascent to heaven. Owing to its importance to these religions, claims over the Mount have been heavily contested.

Photograph: Andrew Shiva
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