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Misc[edit]

The first paragraph in the "Treatment" section needs editing. In particular, the sentence beginning "As tendinosis..." is not a complete sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.64.38.41 (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

--69.160.28.71 01:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC) The article states that acupuncture can speed healing. Can we get a refrence for this?

Acupuncture is an alternative treatment that can be used to reduce pain and heal an injured tendon more quickly.

:I removed this statement, as it was unsupported by evidence in the article. After searching pubmed I can only find either studies showing no positive links between tendonitis healing and acupuncture, or inconclusive studies. Please feel free to add the statement if suitable evidence is cited. Mushintalk 09:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

--Chirostudent 18 April 2006 7:25 (UTC)

After doing some googling, I found interesting websites with top complementary information, I posted an external link for a website with information about work accidents than can cause tendonitis. I also added content about tendonitis symptoms, it was a topic missing that page too. Finally I added an external link with specific information about achilles tendonitis, I found that very helpful since the achilles information listed on the page is just a reference about the illness and the external link will show detailed information.

--Chirostudent 18 April 2006 6:55 (UTC)

The form tendonitis may be incorrect but many persons around the world search that word instead "tendinitis", so the form tendonitis would be a better resource for persons trying to find information about this illness. I've made some research on the search engines and have found better and detailed information when look for the term " tendonitis". I have found some interesting websites that could be of interest for people who want to know about this topic.

Hey, I think that the form 'tendonitis' is incorrect...

--GTubio 28 June 2005 22:03 (UTC)

Me too, think it should be tendinitis?? --WS 12:39, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Mmm after some googling, I think it can be used both. --WS 12:40, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps it's a regional-base spelling? All over the east coast tendinitis is used Knippschild 01:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I have been going through the list of orthopaedic conditions listed as stubs and suggesting this template for Orthopaedic Conditions (see Talk:Orthopedic surgery)
Name
Definition
Synonyms
Incidence
Pathogenesis and predisposing factors
Pathology
Stages
Classification
Natural History/Untreated Prognosis
Clinical Features
Investigation
Non-Operative Treatment
Risks of Non-Operative Treatment
Prognosis following Non-Operative Treatment
Operative Treatment (Note that each operation should have its own wiki entry)
Risks of Operative Treatment
Prognosis Post Operation
Complications
Management
Prevention
History
--Mylesclough 06:38, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Added external link[edit]

I added a double link because one is specifically about tendonitis and the other is about stress injuries in general:

I think both both pages provide very useful supporting material for this page -- the tendonitis explanation is clear and concise; and the RSI Body Map gives information on hundreds of upper body repetitive strain injuries, many of which are tendonitis.

--a.r.dobbs 03:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Greek terminology[edit]

83.212.38.171 14:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I'm from Greece. This medical term is Greek, and in Greece we call this condition "τενοντίτις", which, if transformed into Latin characters, is "tenonditis", as it comes from the word "τένοντας" ("tenond" in Latin). Therefore, the terms "tendon" and "tendonitis" are clearly incorrect. (Plus, in Greece, these two "incorrect" terms have a totally different meaning.) I believe it is imperative that the correct version of the term is included in the article. - noxteryn

This is the english wikipedia though, and Tendonitis is the appropriate term for the information in this article. If you'd like, put in a section discussing the differences between the english and greek terms though. WLU 18:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Tendonitis.net[edit]

I really don't know the reason why each time that I post an external link pointing to an interesting related website, some member removes it, I don't need to post more information on the article because the current one has very resourceful information. I have posted an external link pointing to information about achilles tendonitis, I hope it doesn't be removed and if someone wants to do it then please explain the reasons.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chirostudent (talkcontribs)

There's a reply on your talk page. Don't forget to sign with four tildes ~~~~WLU 21:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi I appreciate the clarification of the Wiki policy for external linking. You mention that "external links are for things that can't be put into the body text, like videos, sound clips, links to major organizations, company websites and such the like." Tendonitis.net is a site that offers information that is very valuable for Tendonitis sufferers by giving a perspective on the treatment of Tendonitis from a seasoned doctor who has treated this condition successfully. Regardless of the advertisements on the site, I strongly believe that users of Wikipedia will benefit from this site. Ultimately, I would like to ask the readers of Wiki to make the decision as to whether this site or any other sites I add in the future are useful by adding back the link if it is removed again. --Chirostudent 06:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC))

Anyone interested in my reply to this, it's on my talk page. Here is the diff. WLU 12:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear WLU and all Wiki Members

I can understand you being cautious from your dealings, but the truth is that there are almost no sites out there that do not intake some form of monetary compensation to keep them going. Some may cleverly disguise them as donations, others may just use Google Adwords. For example, Quackwatch.com receives numerous external links from Wikipedia and they state that they accept donations for their research. They are not even a registered non-profit, so how do we know where the money goes? I think what is really important is the quality of the content. Yes, I do agree in showing studies and citing references, but there is also room for an expert opinion from a licensed healthcare practioner. As you know, studies conflict each other constantly, so it is up to a good health practioner to teach important points that may have never been addressed in studies to date, but have shown effectiveness in a clinical setting. I chose Tendonitis.net as a resource because I was impressed at the attention to stretching that it gave, which is ultimately what has helped my tendonitis. Yet, I cannot find any valuable studies on this very important aspect of tendon care that even mention the fact that you should not actually stretch the damaged tendon, but rather the muscle belly of the affect group. This is great information! In fact, Tendonitis.net has a stretch for the Achilles that the author created and is very easy to follow. That is why I have to take exception to your use of the word spam regarding this site. I am not saying that it should be a cited reference since it has not been published in a Journal that I know of, but it certainly can be a valuable external link. That is why I will continue to fight for this link and will continue to ask other Wiki members to judge the quality of content and usefulness regardless of any advertising and/or donations the site in question accumulates. Thanks! Chirostudent Chirostudent 15:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm removing the link - it still does not cite any references and all my previous criticisms have not been answered. WLU 15:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Chirostudent, the Tendonitis site does offer a professional point of view from a clinical standpoint. References do not have to have to be cited for an external link. I am adding back a link to the site.--Wikismart 06:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I reverted your addition - read WP:EL, references DO need to be cited in external links otherwise there is no way of verifying the information. Tendonitis.net is not a reliable source, so for that reason alone it should not be on the page. It is unreferenced, and tries to sell stuff. There is a difference between a reference and an external link. Even if the link were referenced, it still should not be an external link, it should be a reference. See here for a more detailed discussion of my earlier points.
In the interest of not breaking the WP:3rr, I'm putting in a request for comments on this topic when I've had the time to read up on the section. WLU 11:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
In re-reading WP:EL, I would like to note point two in this section - unverifiable research is a reason to avoid a link. For this reason alone I do not want the link on the page. WLU

I do not agree with your logic. The site draws on clinical expertise. I added back the link. Wikismart 06:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Clinical expertise isn't really a valid source, peer-reviewed journals are. There are better sources for information on tendonitis. I have removed the link. Read wp:el, and discuss on that basis, rather than disagreeing with my 'logic'. S'not logic, it's policy. Argue from that basis. It's not a reliable source. Try improving the page with other info instead. WLU 03:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

As I have said before, all these sites are in place to make money, with the exception of the non-profits, .edu and .gov. sites. So long a Wikipedia continues to accept for profit sites, your argument does not hold up. Tendonitis.net is a reliable source as it comes from a doctor who is trustworthy, and an authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. So despite the fact that you seem to like to win, I will continue to add back the link.

I just added it again as wikismart, so you can do this next time he takes it off. I need you to check daily and start shortening your responses each time. I have already made a good case and your logic just keeps going in circles and is not correct in this case, so maybe you should be okay with losing one once in a while.Chirostudent 04:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

I would like to add a link to this article: Tendinitis Prevention Tips to the external link section. I am not sure how talk pages work but I guess I will wait for a reply from someone. Navetz (talk) 00:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

There is a dispute over the inclusion of an external link. 17:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Statements by editors previously involved in dispute

  • I believe the link (http://www.tendonitis.net/) is inappropriate for the page - it contains no references, adds little to the page that it would not already possess were it not a featured article, and contains advertisements for products designed to treat the condition. I believe the link is particularly inappropriate as an external link and should not be used as a reference either. WLU 17:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


Comments

  • Agree on removal - Looking over Chirostudent's edit history, I'm seeing an almost universal pattern of inappropriate links. Chirostudent, at the very least can you just take our word for it that sites like that shouldn't be here? For medical links, stick to sites that are associated with non-profit universities or institutions. - Richfife 20:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Cruel, but necessary rule of thumb: Is the profile of the site significantly raised by inclusion on Wikipedia? If it is, it shouldn't be here. - Richfife 20:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC) I retract this statement, but none of the others. - Richfife 17:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Link is inappropriate - remove. Does not meet WP:EL (specifically, no significant additional pertinent info). -- MarcoTolo 03:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

With no comment from other contributors, I am considering this matter closed - the link is out and I will remove the RFC from that page. WLU 00:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Acupuncture[edit]

This section is referenced to a statement about 'dry needling and autologuous blood injection', not acupuncture, so it seems inappropriate to identify it as such (in addition to neutrality problems about the identification of acupuncture as 'practical'). WLU (talk) 17:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Acupuncture

Of the many practical applications for acupuncture, one is treatment for tendonitis. PMID 17387140

Bold textbutthole —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.117.230.163 (talk) 23:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily acute[edit]

There is some misinformation in the opening paragraph about tendonitis being the result of an acute injury. I suffer from tendinitis of the wrist resulting from repeated keyboard and mouse use. 131.107.0.86 (talk) 21:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Diagnosis[edit]

"With this condition, the pain is usually worse during and after activity, and the tendon and joint area can become stiffer the following day as muscles tighten from the movement of the tendon." From my experience with tendonitis, personal as well as others who train with me and have tendinitis, the pain is actually worst when sedentary and is better when I keep moving. This makes me wonder about the above comment regarding diagnosis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.198.251.106 (talk) 14:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Stem cell repair on horse tendon injuries has been done. Why did you delete it, Yobol?[edit]

Deciphering the pathogenesis of tendinopathy: a three-stages process This is an Open Access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License There are also reports on the use of nitric oxide [85], sclerosing agents [86,87], MMP inhibitors [88], bone marrow plasma injection [89], autologous blood injection [90,91] or platelet-rich plasma [92-94] for tendinopathy. Stem cell therapy was tried in horse models [95]. These studies may suggest the involvement of disturbances in cytokines, neovascularization, innervations or cell differentiation in the pathogenesis of tendinopathy.

PMID: 21144004 [PubMed] PMCID: PMC3006368 Free PMC Article

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3006368/?tool=pubmed

Effect of adipose-derived nucleated cell fractions on tendon repair in horses with collagenase-induced tendinitis. Abstract OBJECTIVE: To assess the potential of adipose-derived nucleated cell (ADNC) fractions to improve tendon repair in horses with collagenase-induced tendinitis. PMID: 18593247

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18593247 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.158.238 (talk) 10:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Per WP:SPS we use secondary sources here to establish weight. Also, discussion of animals needs to be in a separate section, per WP:MEDMOS. Yobol (talk) 15:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok. I see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.158.238 (talk) 00:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Confusion of tendinitis and tendinotis in the "research" section[edit]

I'm not an expert but to me it seems that the ongoing treatment research described is aimed to healing tendon lesions, or tendinosis, and not merely inflammation that may be associated, which is tendinitis. I think it should be moved to the tendinosis article, and perhaps the section "in other animals" may need some work to make it a little bit more clear, as the definition of "bowed tendon" in horses seems to conflate both conditions; IMO the aspects of the treatment regarding only inflammation belong to this article, the actual tendon-repair aspects to tendinosis'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.46.218.156 (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Rename to Tendonitis[edit]

I suggest a rename to tendonitis with a redirect for tendinitis - there is no such thing as a "tendin" to be inflamed by the "itis". There is however a tendon and tendonitis is the proper international English term. It grates that someone obviously spelt it wrong once (or perhaps "trademarked" it) and this has become the title of the article. It's tendonitis in the rest of the world. Pingu7931 (talk) 09:24, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I don’t know the reason why it’s tendinitis, but all research papers use tendinitis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bboyjkang2 (talkcontribs) 04:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Added citations for 6 months of symptoms = chronic tendinopathy / tendinosis.[edit]

>Inclusion: chronic (>6 months) tendinosis

Coombes BK, Bisset L, Vicenzino B (2010). "Efficacy and safety of corticosteroid injections and other injections for management of tendinopathy: a systematic review of randomised controlled trials". Lancet. 376 (9754): 1751–67. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(10)61160-9. PMID 20970844. 

(adding reddit super markup in case of copyright)

>^The ^diagnosis ^of ^chronic ^Achilles ^tendinopathy ^was ^based ^on ^a ^typical ^history ^and ^clinical ^examination ^performed ^by ^experienced ^orthopedic ^surgeons.

^All ^patients ^had ^Achilles ^tendon ^pain ^for ^more ^than ^6 ^months.

^Specific ^clinical ^signs ^included ^tendon ^swelling, ^tenderness, ^and ^nodularity.

Leung JL, Griffith JF (2008). "Sonography of chronic Achilles tendinopathy: a case-control study". J Clin Ultrasound. 36 (1): 27–32. doi:10.1002/jcu.20388. PMID 17721925. 

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