Talk:Terry Gilliam

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Animation[edit]

Half of the content in the animation section are unreferenced assertions about Gilliam's animation style being mimicked in television shows, movies, and commercials. If there are no references for any of this, it should all go. Surely more important things can be said about his animation work, and the people who have been ifluenced by same, yes? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 16:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

What's more, it appears to be repeated at least twice nearly verbatim in different sections of the article... -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 07:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the content I described above, and bring it here for discussion:

The style, a type of cutout animation, has been mimicked repeatedly throughout the years: the children's television cartoon Angela Anaconda, a series of television commercials for Guinness stout, the "Children's Television Sausage Factory" openings that inspired opening animator Barry Blair of Nickelodeon series You Can't Do That On Television!, John Muto's animation in Forbidden Zone, and the television history series Terry Jones' Medieval Lives.

Unless this can be referenced, it has no place in the article. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 23:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

In the documentary Free Radicals: A History of Experimental Film (IMDB page), it is stated that Gilliam's animation is inflenced by Stan Vanderbeek's work and shows an example that looks very much like Gilliam's Python animations. This is probably worth investigating and including in the article. 99.245.230.104 (talk) 07:30, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

The Defective Detective[edit]

IMDB has recently categorized The Defective Detective as "in development", with a tentative release date of 2014. Noteworthy? --79.193.55.160 (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Have sources other than IMDb discussed it? IMDb is not a reliable source for this sort of information. Doniago (talk) 14:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Gee, I wonder if Terry's still gonna make it in the remaining 23 days... --84.180.255.151 (talk) 14:16, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
There's an interview here where he mentioned there's been talk of reviving the project. A few weeks back I heard another interview where he said they were considering adapting the script to a TV series, but I can't find the link at the moment. Nothing solid yet, in any case. —Flax5 19:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Filmography[edit]

The filmography should be a straight list of films Gilliam directed. There is no need for a large chart listing every project with which he was somehow connected. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 19:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Why so? Being a writer or an actor is being a real part of a movie. A list of the movies he directed could be enough if he only wrote and starred in movies he directed, however it is not the case. His involvment in other works, including of course the Monty Python, are important enough to be noticed on his page as writing and acting work are a part of someone's filmography, even if they can be considered as less important than a directing work. This is was is made for many directors such as Peter Jackson, Edgar Wright, and many others If you think that the whole think is too big for the article, then we can list the films he directed in the "Filmography" category but create a Terry Gilliams Filmography article, as for directors with long filmographies such as Spielberg or Tarantino. Because yes, Gilliam do have a really long filmography, so an other article could be justified, but not listing the movies he wrote and/or starred in in an article directly concerning him is not.--Hyliad (d), 23:26 9 June 2013 (CEST)

Atheism[edit]

A comment about Gilliam's atheism has been removed because the link wasn't clear. It said this:

For years, he at least forbade himself from owning a smartphone. But last year, he gave in and took one home from the Zero Theorem set. Recently, the phone broke for a few days, and he panicked. "It's black and it looks like the monolith from 2001 and I'm the ape there worshipping it." (Not that he's into worship. The former Minnesota seminary student managed to ditch religion and the U.S. government by reinventing himself as a British atheist: "America's winning the war of bureaucracy," he sighs).

So while the article makes a passing remark about him "reinventing himself as a British atheist", there's actually no quote from Gilliam saying it. It seems to be an opinion of the article writer, rather than an actual factual statement.

Of course, if there's another link which shows explicit evidence of Gilliam being atheist, then put that in. --One Salient Oversight (talk) 02:21, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Terry has referred to himself on several occassions as still more or less a Protestant, not least of all because of his relevant upbringing in Medicine Lake, Minnesota. Some references to it are in his interviews on the production of Munchausen, where he discusses the differences between the "Roman-Catholic" and the "Protestant" ways of film-making and dealing with cast and crew, specifically referring to himself as Protestant to this day. Then there are other interviews about his childhood and the reason why he moved away from the places he grew up in, because the ways in which they were practicing their Protestantism "back home" felt more and more suffocating to him. So Terry "went to the Big City and out into the world", so to speak, because while he's still more or less Protestant (with maybe a few far-eastern mystic leanings added in since then), his God "is one who can take a joke" rather than being "a petty, sadistic and paranoid control freak". --84.180.255.151 (talk) 14:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

On the richness of his presentations[edit]

Currently there is this quote in the article: "[M]y films, I think, are better the second and third time, frankly, because you can now relax and go with the flow that may not have been as apparent as the first time you saw it and wallow in the details of the worlds we're creating. [...] I try to clutter [my visuals] up, they're worthy of many viewings." I wish someone could find a third party source to extend this point. I personally was astonished by what I noticed when I watched Time Bandits and Twelve Monkeys several times. I discovered numerous details that I had never noticed before. Off hand I don't know of any other director who does this to the degree that Gilliam does. Only by watching these films several times do you come to fully understand them. (I first thought that providing specific examples might be good but, like a spoiler, might ruin the experience for the first time viewer.) Does anyone know of a citable source to use to make this point in the article? __209.179.32.155 (talk) 19:48, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

You could argue that it's due to his early fondness of 1950s MAD Magazine and particularly their artist Will Elder who was known to cram lots of background gags into his panels (especially his TV spoof of Howdy Doody remains a fan favorite and a classic that keeps getting re-printed and I think even digital copies can also be easily be googled). Don Rosa is another early fan of Elder's who grew up to infuse the same kind of "richness" into his own comics as does Terry with his films. --80.187.108.51 (talk) 19:44, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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Awards Not in Standard Format[edit]

The list of Awards, nominations, and honours is not in same common, tabular format found on other Wikipedia entries, such as those for Daniel Day-Lewis.

box office success?[edit]

"Gilliam's $30 million-budgeted film The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus had also become an international box office success, grossing over $60 million in worldwide theatrical release." If you gross 60 million on a 30 million budget you break even. Half the gross revenue is kept by the theaters. I would not call that a success. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:06, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

The Unfinished Swan ?[edit]

Under "Video Games" , "The Unfinished Swan" is noted. Yet , if you follow the link , there is no mention of Terry Gilliam's involvement. Can anyone confirm or clear this up? ( Or at the very least , note WHAT exactly he had to do with it. ) 75.104.174.54 (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Early life question[edit]

Did he ever serve in the Armed Forces?108.28.23.254 (talk) 16:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it's in his auto-biography Gilliamesque and some of his interviews as of late. He served in the national guard because, as he says, it left him with enough time between individual service duties to go see Europe and that way, he especially could avoid getting sent to Vietnam. --2003:71:4E6A:B447:C558:4B6D:6E41:1C2F (talk) 03:59, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Recurring collaborators chart (yet again...)[edit]

Back in September 2013, I posted on the talk page, suggesting that the recurring collaborators chart be removed and replaced with a simple list and that the list of collaborators be limited to those who have worked with Gilliam at least three times, rather than just two. At the time, Mark in wiki agreed, saying, "With twelve films in Gilliam's filmography, I do not consider a collaborator that Gilliam has worked with only twice worth mentioning as a "recurring" collaborator. I also agree with TheOldJacobite that a simple list would be better. In my opinion that would be much more appropriate, clear and readable." Now, I don't suggest that a three-year-old consensus between two editors should continue to hold sway, but I do think this needs a new discussion, as the chart has been reinstated with no talk page conversation. Thanks. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 16:02, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Those collaborator tables are a huge waste of space for what is some rather inconsequential information - especially when, like you said, stretching it to include people who have done two (wow!) movies together. Besides the space, it's just not the type of information that really gains by being presented in a table. I'm not sure if I think a bit of prose, or a list would be preferable, but I know I can agree that the chart is ridiculous. --SubSeven (talk) 02:37, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, prose would be best, as long as it's informative and not overly lengthy. Otherwise, a simple list will work. There might be something in the book Dark Knights & Holy Fools about the people he's regularly collaborated with. I'll take a look tonight. It would be good to find some sources who have talked about this. But, the larger point is that the table needs to go. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 02:59, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

No mention of his support of a convicted rapist?[edit]

There is no mention of his support of convicted felon Roman Polanski. Should this be added?

For those who apparently can't handle the truth about this individual, here is a link to the petition he chose to attach his name to.

[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8003:2040:88e6:9c8c:14b1:cad9 (talkcontribs)

Given that over 100 other people also supported Polanski, can you provide any sources to establish that Gilliam's support was considered particularly controversial in some manner? DonIago (talk) 20:21, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Obituary from Variety (magazine)[edit]

I apologize if this information has been discussed previously on archived discussions of this talk page. On September 8, 2015, Variety accidentally released a false obituary stating that Gilliam died. I have sources to verify this information from The Guardian and The Washington Post. Is this information trivial? Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 19:07, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't recall this being discussed before, and, no, I don't think it's trivial. Two reputable sources discussing another reputable source's mistaken publication of the death of a noted figure. No, not trivial. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 20:13, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
@TheOldJacobite: Thank you for your input. I mentioned the information on the "Personal life" section. Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 21:30, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome. I also checked the talk page archive and could find no mention of "obituary," "vanity fair," or "vanity fair obituary," so, if it's been discussed previously, none of those terms were used, which seems unlikely. I agree with your edit. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 00:29, 10 February 2017 (UTC)