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Textile means any product made of textile fibers. This includes raw fibers, yarns, and woven, non-woven, and knit cloth. Textile should not be merged with cloth because "textile" is a more inclusive term than "cloth".

The first line reads:

A textile is any kind of woven cloth, or a cloth made of fibres that have been bonded into a fabric without weaving. eg. felt. ???

I will update this somewhat. Some of the types of cloth are not necessary. An entry for geotextiles would be useful. Jackiespeel 18:21, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Textile is also a kind of ReStructured_Text http://textism.com/tools/textile/

Textile, cloth and fabric[edit]

I was trying to understand the difference between cloth and textile. Just by looking at the Webster's definition, it seems that cloth is more inclusive and includes all woven and non-woven fabric, while textile is only woven fabric. If I am wrong about this, and there is no distiction between cloth and fabric, then they should be combined into to one article. ike9898 02:18, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and while we're at it, how does fabric fit into the sceme? ike9898 02:23, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
Good point. Fabric disambiguates to cloth which treats the two as the same. I don't think they are the same: I consider cloth to be a subset of both fabric (which might also include leather or PVC) and of textile (which might be stretched so far as to cover net). Noisy | Talk 11:33, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)


--- TEXTILE ARTIST--- I am a textile artist at California College of Arts & Crafts in SF/Oakland. Here in the Textile department, we have expanded the definition of Textiles, while maintaining the name (other schools now have "Fiber" departments instead), because it places us in the lineage of the Arts & Crafts movement, on which the school was founded. The word Textile comes from the latin "texere" : to weave. So yes, Textile literally means anything woven on a loom, but not necessarily fiber, it can be copper wire, monofilament, wood, branches, plastic tubes etc. However, at the textile department, we do not exclusively teach Weaving. The department consits of Weaving, Dying, Printing, Knitting, Crocheting, Felting, Twining (basketry), Plaiting, and sewing. In this context, textiles are defined as a flexible product that is comprised of multiple parts (usually fibers) that are interlaced in some way, OR a design that is applied to a textile, like printing and dying. Textile also refers to the fiber itself, so yarn is also called a textile.

FABRIC/CLOTH/TEXTILE:

SO if textiles can be all of the above, what are fabric and cloth? Fabric means to construct or make ie Fabricate... In my understanding, fabric is a material that is woven, knitted, crocheted, or felted (possibly dyed and/or printed as well), that is not usually understood as a finished piece in it's own right. Fabric is usually cut or sewn and used for some other application, like garment making or upholstery. Cloth and fabric are somewhat interchangeable, but cloth has certain uses that fabric doesn't. For example, as I mentioned above, Fabric is a material with potential to be made into something. Cloth can be used in this way, but it also commonly refers to a finished piece that has it's own use, like a Dish Cloth, loin cloth, or table cloth. Try to replace "cloth" with "fabric" in one of these couplets, and you'll understand the difference.

SUMMARY:

Textile most specifically refers to a piece constructed of multiple parts that interlace, usually fibers, that is flexible, has tensile strength, or a printed or dyed design like Shibori. Examples of Textiles that are NOT commonly refered to as fabric: Baskets, Mats, Tapestries, carpets.

Fabric usually refers to a material that is woven, knitted, crocheted, or felted, that implies another use like garment making, printing, dying, or upholstery.

Cloth is a more nuanced word for fabric that usually implies a complete finished piece, like table cloth. (This from 66.92.28.178 (talk · contribs))

Thanks for the clarification. That accords with my understanding as well. User:Noisy | Talk 00:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I know Wikipedia gets a bad rap for being inaccurate, but I usually find that it provides pretty accurate information. This article, however, is all wrong. While textiles are well known to refer to material, made out of fiber, that goes into clothing (fabric, or cloth), textiles can in fact refer to anything made from polymers. Polymers are long-chain molecules that do form fibers, but can have other uses as well. In this way would a plastic water bottle be considered a textile because it is made of Polyethylene Terephthalate or PET which is well-known as the polymer used in production of polyester. Films and gels made from polymers are also considered textiles. If I were to define these terms from the inclusive to the exclusive, I would list: Textile-any item made of polymers Fiber- long strands of polymers which are significantly longer than they are wide

Filament Fiber: long, continuous strand of fiber. All synthetic and manufactured fibers (nylon, polyester, rayon, aramids, olefins, acrylics) are created as filament fibers, and silk is also counted as a filament fiber.
Staple Fiber: short fibers, in which most natural fibers are included (wool, cotton, flax, but not silk). Filament fibers can be cut down into staple fibers, depending on the desired use.

Yarn-Fibers tightly twisted together for the purpose of weaving into a fabric, not to be confused with

Thread-fibers tightly twisted together for the purpose of joining two pieces of fabric

Fabric or cloth-interchangeable terms for things made of fibers or yarns. There are three types of fabrics:

Woven-made only of yarns which are interlaced in a pattern
Knit-yarns knotted together in a pattern
Non woven-made of yarns or fibers which are interlaced through tangling, by needle punching, air or water tangling, and other tangling methods

Sorry if I seem a little harsh, but I have had it drilled into my head for the last three years that textiles are so much more than fabrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ginifur (talkcontribs) 02:14, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind my small adjustment to the formatting. I don't know anything about the subject but I think it looks better now without the blue box. Jodosma (talk) 23:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Listiness[edit]

I think that this article could be improved by making it less "listy". The last 2/3 of the article is mostly lists. Let's make this into a real article.....ike9898 18:28, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Hello. Can someone check/edit the caption on the second illustration? I think the "right to left" order is reversed in the identification of the fabrics as shown. Thanks, Stu.

Possible merge[edit]

Currently there is an article named Textile manufacturing terminology which probably should have a list of different terms and their meanings. The article currently located there has good information, but is not the list that such a title suggests. Much of that info could probably be moved here, and a list of terms created at that page. If we don't move that article here, it should probably get renamed, but I can't think of something appropriate. Loggie July 1, 2005 17:33 (UTC)

I moved the old Textile manufacturing terminology to Textile manufacturing, but I still think some of that information might be useful here, if someone else would take a look. Loggie July 3, 2005 18:22 (UTC)
I think that some text on textile manufacturing does belong in this article, but the reason that I created the Textile manufacturing terminology article in the first place was because I thought it would eventually get very large and overwhelm the original Textile article. Given the state of the current article, that seems very likely.
As with all my projects, I started with something else (Industrial Revolution, in this case) and drifted onto something completely different. When I'm back on my home computer at the weekend, I'll try and refocus on this area. Noisy | Talk 18:29, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for re-organizing the article. It looks much, much better now. Loggie 01:00, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
I've been try to organise the stubs a bit. I think it generally goes Science|Applied Science|Materials Science|Textiles|* and obviously Engineering|Materials Science|... Kraiken 21:03 September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Organic textiles.[edit]

I'm new to this so appologies for doubles etc. And also for probably being in the wrong section.

That being said in ROMP Ltd I hold licence X0001 from the Soil Association in the UK for the production of Organic Leather and we are about to crack denim/cotton as well.

I would like to propose a definition of Organic Textiles for discussion and final submission to Ifoam.

An Organic textile is one where the husbandry of the Soil at Planting or Birth is Certified organic to the same Organic standard of the eventual product. All processes in the farming section are to that same standard with full separation until the raw material is presented to the Textile production stages. The raw material is then treated in a manufacturing system that is also Organically certified to the same standard and separate in all aspects until the textile is complete. This includes all physical and all chemical stages especially dye-ing. And finally an organic textile should contain an element in the final price which rewards the original producer fairly so that the Organic movement as a whole and the organic farmer specifically is rewarded directly for their status


To product a finished organic article from that textile to the original organic standard requires a certified factory and designer brand, and retailer.

At the moment 99% of the Organic Textile that I see gives up after raw material and introduces non-organic materials during the dye phase. They also promote cheap labour which appears to be counter productive to the imperative and pressing need to change. Hence we see Organic Cotton T shirts sold as such but printed and dyed with increased levels of Chromium based dyes and manufactured in the same factories and at the same appalling labour rates as is the norm today.

Of couse I am totally biased hence the need to open up the debate but would be very interested in logical and well thoughtout positions on where we are in the cycle and what is trully in the best interests of the planet.

Greg The Romp Project


textile leather[edit]

The expression "textile leather" is used increasingly. I have no idea what it means, supposedly a leather subtitute. I found no definition and also no systematic classification until now. If it is a special kind of fabric it would also be interesting to learn more about its properties or making.

Peter Loster

I found this definition: Textile leather: 11% cotton, 2% Polyurethan, 87% PVC

about listiness[edit]

all the processes in the textiles arctical have there own page ..and it is easy to load a page and then follow the links ..if you will merge the pages then users like me who do not have a good borwsing speed will suffer,

NO to merge[edit]

A textile, such as a crocheted or knitted piece, is not cloth. Textile artists work with FIBER, not necessarily with cloth. Zora 14:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

What about merging Cloth into Textile, then? Hajhouse 15:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Cloth is a particularly important form of textile and deserves its own article. Zora 23:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I oppose as well. However both articles require a major cleanup and a clear separation of "responsibilities". In particular textile/cloth/fabric term usage must be clearly described. mikka (t) 23:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

No to merging period. The technical distinction is clear, why is something used to make cloths being confused with industrial textiles which make conveyor belts, automotive fan belts, tires, etc.? I'm section editing looking for something else, but cloth <-->clothing is distinct from things like composite armor for Abrahms tanks and the like. If I can be of help, someone drop a note. FrankB 03:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Considering the elapsed time now that I can see it, shouldn't someone call a formal vote, or just remove the merge templates? FrankB 03:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Links pruned[edit]

I got rid of all but one link! All the rest were commercial, or dead, or so abstruse as not to be useful. A list of Italian textile names would be better off in an article on Renaissance clothing. Too limited for here.

I'm constantly appalled by people's willingless to exploit WP for a possible financial gain. Zora 17:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Where did the non-perpendicular weave go?[edit]

Some months ago, a came across a definition for a textile, that was woven but non-perpendicular. It seemed as if it were describing something other than non-woven. I have developed a new type of fabric with a new method of construction and was looking for the proper terminology to describe it.

WP:COTW votes[edit]

Textile (7 votes, stays until August 19)[edit]

Nominated July 29, 2006; needs at least 9 votes by August 19, 2006
Support
  1. Yvwv 19:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. Ynhockey (Talk) 20:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  3. Davodd 21:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  4. jwandersTalk 16:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  5. ike9898 18:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  6. Siddhant 14:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  7. Ellie041505 14:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Comments
  • A large topic with a miserable article. Most of the article consists of incomplete lists.


So... does someone usually coordinate these COTWs, or do we all just sort of fly at 'er? --jwandersTalk 05:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

To Be Done[edit]

Sorry if this annoys some people, but I always make this sort of list for articles that need a lot of work. Here's what needs to be done. Support, refute, or propose suggestions as needed.

  • Introductory Paragraph: Remember the huge argument over the definition of textile, fabric, and cloth? If not, read some of the comments above. One of them provided a comprehensive definition of each term that everyone seemed to agree with, which could be incorporated into the article.
  • Sources and Types/Treatments: These should be placed with the lists that they correspond to (which should not be lists.) Add Stainproofing info.
  • Uses: Surely the uses of textiles can be discussed in MORE than two sentences?
  • Lists: We should turn these into paragraphs. For the types of textile, we should state the different materials within each division (animal, plant, synthetic, etc.), what plant, animal, or petroleum product they are derived from, and what they are used for. For the processes involved in making textiles, we should give brief descriptions of each process (carding, spinning, weaving, etc.), and which processes are used for which types of textiles. Most of this information can be found in the articles for each type of textile or for each process.

Thanks. Ellie041505 13:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Breathable fabrics[edit]

There is almost nothing in the article about breathable fabrics, e.g. for garments, save for a tiny note on wicking of perspiration under ingeo. - Neparis (talk) 00:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Reassessment[edit]

Reassessed to the new C-class; this article still needs a lot of work. - PKM (talk) 18:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC) well this is very intresting stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.200.98 (talk) 14:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

textiles are used in many ways, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.27.229 (talk) 19:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

textile[edit]

Textile converts its marked-up text input to valid, well-formed XHTML and also inserts character entity references for apostrophes, opening and closing single and double quotation marks, ellipses and em dashes. Textile was originally implemented in PHP, but has been translated into other programming languages including Perl, Python, Ruby, ASP, Textile is distributed under a BSD-style license and is included with, or available as a plugin for, several content-management systems. Version 2.0 beta was released in 2004 as part of the Textpattern content management system.


http://en.wikipedia.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.164.96.17 (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Fashion and Textile Designer Inclusions[edit]

I have included Marisol Deluna yet her name continually gets removed.

Despite adding three references http://glo.msn.com/relationships/glos-latina-girl-crushes-6003.gallery?photoId=21361 GLO.msn.com, http://www.hyundaiusa.com/about-hyundai/diversity/common/assets/Hyundai_Adelante.pdf Hyundaiusa.com, http://www.nysartorialist.com/2010/05/housing-works-6th-annual-design-on-dime.html Nysartorialist.com (in addition to those found off and online) I was not aware that inclusions had to be household names, yet rather notables to the subject discussed. One of the terrific user benefits of Wikipedia is to inform. Why bother reading articles otherwise?

She is not as notable as the others listed, this is understood as she does not create designs in a traditional manner such as runway shows. Inclusions should not be based on this. She is known for her prints and my references reflect this as does this list of clients that have benefited from her print driven designs.

Removed promotional client list duplicated from Talk:Marisol Deluna

I am asking to have the edit of removal be reverted or perhaps put in a different category in which textiles can be used beyond traditional fashion designers- Especially for those seeking information on those who are not focused on mainstream textile or fashion designers. Thank you. ElizabethCB123 (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

You added her name to a list of designers that "can be easily recognized by their signature print driven designs.", so please demonstrate that she can, with a reliable sources that say she can. None of the links you provided did that. Mtking (edits) 21:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Point taken. However, I did not add her inclusion originally. Her name was removed and I replaced her. I will focus on her article and in time revisit this inclusion. Thank you! ElizabethCB123 (talk) 05:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Citation cleanup[edit]

Some explanation for changing the "Sources" section to "Further reading."

After finding no mention of the authors Good or Fisher in the article text, I searched the revision history to determine when these sources were added and what (if any) other content was added at the same time. Revision diffs for the additions of both the Nora Good and Irene Fisher sources show that only the source information was added.

Having also moved the Duplessis source to an inline citation, I removed the citation cleanup banner when I changed "Sources" to "Further reading." —Shelley V. Adams 03:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Rawhide (textile)[edit]

The name of the Rawhide (textile) article is in direct conflict with the introduction to this article. It would appear something needs to be changed.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Rawhide (disambiguation) redirects to Rawhide, which is in fact a disambiguation page. This needs admin attention to delete the redirect page, so the articles may be titled sensibly. Perhaps further discussion would be better kept at Talk:Rawhide (textile). __ Just plain Bill (talk) 23:50, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced box[edit]

The Wikitable showing the top ten exporters seems misplaced here. I think it belongs in History of textiles. If there are no objections I'll move it there in about a week. Jodosma (talk) 23:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I tried to move the table to a different part of this article without success, wherever you move it, it makes a mess so I'm leaving it now before I lose the will to live. Jodosma (talk) 00:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Definition of textile and yarn[edit]

The definitions in the opening paragraph of the article are very narrow in scope. For example, to characterize all textiles as "woven", is misleading, as it is misleading to define yarn without including the mention of fibers that rise from extrusion. Even if the whole article is to be rewritten, could some short term improvement of the first paragraph be done until then?Cobaltcanarycherry (talk) 03:46, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I do use "textile" exclusively for woven fabrics, well, I also call my felted pieces textiles, but they are made from textiles or yarns. I agree that extruded yarns are missing, and the article seems to say only natural fibres are used to produce yarn. Please do improve at least this part, the synethic fibres. Can we look into "textiles" more, though? --(AfadsBad (talk) 12:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC))

Respectfully, to indicate that all textiles are woven or felted is to exclude all knitted, crocheted, netted or braided textiles. I am particularly concerned by this exclusion as it appears that fabrics constituted by hand were developed previous to those that had to be loomed.Cobaltcanarycherry (talk) 23:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)