Talk:The Biggest Loser (season 7)

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Contestant Names[edit]

Please discuss any contestant name changes here first. The names should be consistent with the names used on the official NBC webpage, as those are most certainly the names which will be used on the show. If these names are nicknames, then that can be clarified in the first table (which lists first and last names). It appears we need a source for these full names? Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 01:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Gastric Bypass[edit]

Should it be mentioned that one of the contestants, Ron of the Brown team, has a modified stomach due to gastric bypass surgery? I'm not a health expert, but it seems to me that such a procedure would have an impact on his weight loss in the competition. Chaeberle (talk) 19:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

If having the gastric bypass helped him lose weight, he wouldn't be on the show; given that the weight loss illustrated on the show is already abnormal, I don't see where it gives him any better or worse of an advantage (except perhaps we'll all be a lot happier when we don't have to see his bisected abdomen). Veled (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Weigh-In Chart[edit]

The chart should reflect that those with a BMI greater than 50% should be categorized as "Super Morbidly Obese," or "Super Obese." (I have seen it stated both ways.) Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justme54321 (talkcontribs) 03:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. "Super-obese" just sounds fake. I think we should stick to the classic ones. Laisinteresting (talk) 03:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
A link to a good medical resource which uses these classifications (with the BMI criteria) would be helpful. Otherwise it's just WP:OR and should be removed completely. Plastikspork (talk) 03:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

No, I think the number states enough. I'm switching it back.

Laisinteresting (talk) 00:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

There was a mistake that said Mandi is down to 200 pounds, not 215. I fixed the error. Savvy10 (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Suggest change to "elimination" chart[edit]

Since the 9 members who went home in week 1 aren't actually eliminated unless their partner's are eliminated, could we change the language on the "eliminated week 1" people to "Sent home for 30 days"?Chaeberle (talk) 17:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that "eliminated" isn't entirely accurate, with the exception of the white team. How about "Sent Home Wk 1", then Eliminated in whatever week the partner was eliminated? Plastikspork (talk) 17:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree that "eliminated" is not accurate until they've actually been voted off. Similarly, the at-home people shouldn't have it written in the chart that a vote has been cast against them. The decision to go home was mutual and not a tribal council-like vote, and they haven't been eliminated, just home.QuizzicalBee (talk) 17:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I made a first attempt to sort it out. Feel free to copyedit if necessary. Plastikspork (talk) 17:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

If the Vote Chart shows all Revealed Votes at Eliminations, shouldn't Joelle and Carla have 8 votes against and not 4? And Dane 4 votes against? If I am mistaken, please let me know. If I am not mistaken, I'd like permission to edit. OriolesMagic (talk) 17:24 26 February 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 00:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC).
Total Votes is about how many votes they got on the actual day they were eliminated. Past eliminations where they were up for elimination don't matter. Make sense? Onesmallnote (talk) 03:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Episode 3 Temptation Controversy/Speculation[edit]

Should some mention be given to the conspicuous absence of the Orange Team during the speculation? This remark was found on the NBC website, in a format that scrolls away over time, so no reference link can really be made:

Daniel was filmed for the For those of you who missed it this was posted last night:Temptation segment but the producers felt the outcome overtly usurped the message the episode aimed to portray.Thus, the footage was edited to have Daniel's participation omitted.ModeratorJanuary 20 - 9:20pm PT Curious

January 21 - 10:34am PT

There is rampant questioning on every site I look at wondering where the heck Dan and Dave were in the Temptation. I have to review, but I believe Dan was shown at the beginning of the temptation, but he was not present for the results.

So - does this bear mentioning in the episode recap? And...does anyone have any insight that isn't purely speculative? Chaeberle (talk) 16:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Update - per Allison Sweeny's blog, Dan was having medical tests done that day and was not present for the Temptation. I've checked and Dan was also not shown during any part of the temptation. This appears to be a non-issue. I'll amend the article and link to Allison's blog as a reference as to why Orange was not in the participation if that's acceptable.Chaeberle (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Season duration?[edit]

There have been some internet rumors that the ranch time for Season 7 was over 5 months, which would suggest a longer than 14 week season. (22 weeks maybe?) Does anyone have any source that could confirm or squelch that rumor?Chaeberle (talk) 20:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

According to the rules for the Pound For Pound Challenge the show/NBC is doing with General Mills the finale is currently scheduled for May 12, 2009. [1] Mcstinkysmom (talk) 08:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Sort order on the weigh-in chart[edit]

Please stop changing the sort order on the weigh-in chart. The convention is to sort either alphabetically by team name, or by first name, not by "BMI". If you feel otherwise, discuss here. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Purple Team starting weight - week 7[edit]

When Kristin of the purple team started her weigh-in, her weight last week was 301. If she had not been below 300, but gained 2 lbs last week, how is this possible? Shouldn't her starting weight have been 303? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree, there was a mistake, and I'm glad someone else confirmed it. Her starting weight should have been 303 by my calculations as well. This has happened before, see the note about Mark in The Biggest Loser: Couples. I will make a note for this one as well. Thanks for pointing it out! Plastikspork (talk) 02:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
No - because she gained 2 pounds, TBL does not credit her with that weight loss twice. If they had started her at 303, then her weight loss would have been 14 lbs, and would have given her a much higher percentage loss. To avoid such a boost, TBL starts the weigh in at the prior week's weight, and ignores the gained weight. Chaeberle (talk) 17:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Please cite a source for this rule? Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 19:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
In particular, check The Biggest Loser: Couples, Paul gained 3 pounds in week 5, but lost 12 in week 6. However, Mark gained 1 pound in week 14, but lost 12 or 13 in week 15. Hence, it appears to be arbitrary with no official rule. Plastikspork (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I will check - my understanding was that it was mentioned at Mark's weigh in after his weight gain. You can also check the NBC forums for this season under the purple team thread, but of course that's not an official source. In the meantime I have no objection to removing the note changes I made.Chaeberle (talk) 20:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
If you're able to check first (I can't until late tonight), check out S05E005 (Couples - Week 5) - Paul gains weight, and *reportedly* Ali comments on the weight gain not counting. I'll be checking as soon as I canChaeberle (talk) 21:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I have checked - Season 5, Episode 6, just after Paul weighs in, he loses 12 pounds. Allison says, "Since last week Paul gained 3 pounds, we're only adding 9 pounds to the black team's total, which is now 16 pounds." (This followed Kelly's 7 pound loss.) What's the proper way to cite that rule? Chaeberle (talk) 23:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Excellent. In that case, we could put the loss number in italics, then put a note at the end of the table stating the rule. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 01:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I have put the values back to those actually aired (301/12/3.99%) and updated the note to explain why NBC used 301 pounds and not 303.Chaeberle (talk) 17:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
The percentages in the tables you changed are all WP:OR, since individual percentages are not calculated, hence I see no basis for changing them. I'm changing it back until a source can be produced. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 19:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
This, however, I disagree with, because your numbers are based on what was not actually aired. The aired numbers were 301 and 12, not 303 and 14. Even if the show was in error (which I don't think is the case), the presentation here should be true to what was aired and notate any possible errors. We should not be presuming to fix NBC's "mistake" in the chart. The official numbers are the official numbers.Chaeberle (talk) 20:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. The 12 pound number for Kristin is what aired on NBC. However, any percentage computed from this number is WP:OR as only total team percentages were calculated. There is actually quite a bit of WP:OR on this page, e.g., all the BMI information. I will change the 14 to 12 as per your request. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 20:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking about the individual % being WP:OR - should there be a section that shows the team percentages for the times when they are weighed in as teams? On the minus side, it would add a lot more maintenance to the page (something I'm not good at). On the plus side, it would give more overall info - team rankings, etc. What do you think?Chaeberle (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Agreed about the downside. I would like to avoid adding more tables if possible. The episode summaries could include the more remarkable numbers, (e.g., the highest and lowest for the week). I think the WP:OR issues are minor in this case, but I would like to avoid keeping running totals (e.g. leader boards) on the main article. My two-bits on the issue. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 01:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Number of Contestants vs. Number of Weeks[edit]

Okay, so on Tuesday March 3rd, we'll be on Week 9, and there are 11 contestants left in the competition. If they continue to eliminate one person per week as they have for the past few weeks, that means there would be 6 people left in Week 14, and then 5 going into the finals. That just doesn't add up. Does anyone know if there are, maybe, some double eliminations? Or if there are actually more than 14 weeks this season? Onesmallnote (talk) 11:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe there are going to be more than 14 weeks. Interviews with Bob and Jillian indicated that this season they're on the ranch for just over 5 months, which is more like 22 weeks. Makes me wonder if TBL is going for a full 22 episode season this time around. Chaeberle (talk) 18:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, then, why did whoever set up the charts make it 14 weeks? They had to have gotten it from somewhere, right? I don't know. But by my calculations, there will have to be 16 weeks and then a finale to keep with the status quo of only three finalists. Should I edit the charts? But I know what you mean. In People Magazine when they had an interview with Daniel, it said that the finale was on May 12. There would have to be a TON of weeks for that to be the case, cause isn't the live finale usually just a week after the episodes finish airing? Onesmallnote (talk) 20:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Never mind, I went ahead and changed the charts to 16 weeks. This has to be the case unless TBL has decided that the number of finalists will be different than three this time. But someone will probably change it back. Edits are crazy on this page. Onesmallnote (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
They said last night that this season was 18 weeks, so I'm updating the list.Chaeberle (talk) 14:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
They said "9 more weeks", and that was at the beginning of the episode..So the question is was that including week 9 or no? Cause that's why I put it as 17 on all the charts. Onesmallnote (talk) 03:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


A member of Jillian's team has won every season except one when Bob's team memeber won, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Sort of. Seasons 1 and 2 were Jillian, hands down. Season 3, Jillian was not there - it was Bob vs. Kim. Bob won, but Erik has put back on over 100 pounds since. Season 4 was Jillian. Ali in season 5 was Bob to start, Jillian at the end. Season 6 - Heba had the highest overall % but was eliminated at the finale, so Michele won, a win for Jillian. In BL:Australia, Adro started with Jillian but bonded more with Bob at the end. Against Jillian, Bob has never had a winner who didn't also train under Jillian.Chaeberle (talk) 19:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that clears things up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Profanity Week 7[edit]

NBC failed to "bleep" Tara during the key challenge when she said "I don't fucking know [which key to choose]". Wondering if such should be added to the page - I saw similar notes for similar situations on the Survivor "Controversies" section (some contestant's unblurred genitals). Energythief (talk)

Not significant to the show IMO, and I'm still under the impression that she said "fricking".Chaeberle (talk) 18:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Questions about Teams[edit]

In the contestant list, Nicole and Damien are shown to be on the Grey team (which doesn't even exist), instead of the Red Team. Also, in the weigh-in chart, Damien is shown on the Grey Team, and Jerry and Estella are shown on the red team, not the White team as they actually were. Why did these mistakes suddenly appear? (talk) 13:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a massive trail of vandalism by one user who should be blocked soon. I am tracing back the edits to try to make sure they have all been reverted. Thanks for the note! Plastikspork (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, what Plastikspork. Pretty much any time you see something that's obviously false, and is something that's shown up that wasn't there before, it's vandalism, and those who are watching the page to take care of all vandals just haven't gotten around to fixing it yet. Some people are just stupid and get some weird enjoyment out of screwing up pages. Onesmallnote (talk) 21:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Time between week 18 and finale[edit]

How many weeks are there between the conclusion of week 18 and the live finale? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think they finished taping in February, so there's about two and a half months between the last week and the finale. However, if they follow the format they did last season, Alison will announce how long it was between the ranch time and the finale at the finale, so you can just look out for that to be sure. Onesmallnote (talk) 00:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Week 5 Summary[edit]

The summary claims that Joelle returned home to vote in the presidential election. However, I don't remember this ever being mentioned. Is there a source for this/was this mentioned in the episode? (talk) 20:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Look here - Onesmallnote (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Aha, thanks. I see that was cited in the article, I seem to have missed that. (talk) 21:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolution of a dispute[edit]

If I'm correct, there have been edit wars on whether to have the colors of Mandi, Cathy and Dane be their couples colors or trainer team colors. So I made an alternative in hopes of both improving the encyclopedia and resolving the issue of edit wars. So instead of having them appear as blue, I made it to where asterisks were at the end of week 8 onward players. * represents the Black Team, while ** represents the Blue Team. I have changed Mandi, Cathy and Dane's colors back to their couples colors as given the asterisks, using Blue on their rows would be pointless. I know it's not the best decision in terms of style, but we'll work on that later. I hope I could help out in resolving this issue. —Mythdon t/c 05:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I was just reverting color changes based on historical convention. If you would like to open a debate to set a new color standard for all The Biggest Loser series. Sure, we can have the debate. I thought it was fine the way it was, but whatever. At Talk:America's Next Top Model they had so much trouble with it that they have created a color guide. Plastikspork (talk) 13:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Why do we even need the Bob/Jillian team info in the weight loss chart? It's already listed in the first chart. Isn't that just repetitive? Onesmallnote (talk) 02:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Well maybe. I hope I find a better solution to the problem shortly. I did this as a solution to the anonymous edit warring and confusion in the tables. —Mythdon t/c 02:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


I was just thinking that "week 18" might be a misnomer if the contestants are going to go home for 30 days before the next weigh-in. Perhaps a better name for it would be "Semifinal"? Comments? Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I suggest either "At Home" or "Home". —Mythdon t/c 20:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree with you. Since the weigh-in is still going to be on the ranch, I don't think "At Home" would really make sense. So I changed all the charts and the episode summary section to say "Semifinal" instead of "Week 18." Onesmallnote (talk) 20:50, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Why not we call the weeks "episodes" instead? That way, it would be more convenient. —Mythdon t/c 22:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Wait until next season. J4lambert (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
None of the "weeks" are weeks. They average 10 days real-time per show "week", right? So why is it necessary to call this one "week" something else?

Why does the weight loss chart now say that Mike and Tara each lost 20, Ron lost 19, and Helen lost 15? (talk) 20:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

That would be vandalism. It should be now reverted and the vandal has been warned. Thanks for the feedback! Plastikspork (talk) 20:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ron/Mike Finalie Mistake[edit]

I know Ron wanted Mike to go on and try to win the 250k, but looking back, he would have done better to have Mike get voted off, as he would have won the 100k with his above 50% weight loss. I'm not sure where that would fit in the article, but I thought it was an interesting fact. --Cngodles (talk) 14:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that would constitute WP:OR, and hence cannot be included in the article. Although I agree that it is interesting and reminiscent of last season where America did not respect the wishes of the contestants. But, this sort of secondary analysis doesn't belong in WP. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 17:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Just a quick interjection: In the Biggest Loser Families article, it mentions how Heba would have won the 250K instead of the 100K had she been voted into the final 3. This was never mentioned on-air, so surely that is original research too? This instance seems similar, except a contestant in the final 3 who didn't win would have gotten 100K if he had been eliminated. (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that would be WP:OR as well and should be removed. Anyone who cares can look at the results and figure this out. Plastikspork (talk) 03:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Shannon's arrest[edit]

Is it necessary to have Shannon's arrest information be included as part of this article? In my opinion, it is completely irrelevant, and has nothing to do with her participation on the show. (talk) 20:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2016[edit]

Ron background has to be brown not red (talk) 13:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done I changed the background color for "Ron" from red to brown in the Weigh-Ins table. Please try to be more specific in the future. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Biggest Loser: Couples which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 11:15, 8 April 2016 (UTC)