Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints membership statistics
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Request to delete article
This article has been tagged for deletion with the concern "WP:NOT a repository for randomly arbitrary datasets". I have checked WP:NOT and associated Wikipedia guidelines and find nothing that would indicate this article should be deleted for this reason. This article is similar to other articles in that it defines population data for geographic areas and illustrates it with a colored map. A difference is that this article defines a religion population, which should make no difference. On this basis and as a follower of Inclusionism, I believe this article should not be deleted, at least until the Wikipedia community has had a chance to adequately discuss it. I am therefore removing the delete tag. If User:Ravenna1961 (the user who tagged this article) or someone else believes it should be deleted, would you please follow the procedures described in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Truthanado 02:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- It is six years later and I found the article with a Google-search, wanting to know if Norway has more than 4,000 members as mention in the Norway article. Turns out they have 4,566 members so that was good for me to find out. I agree that the information in this article is excellent and not 'random info'. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 17:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC) Hence, I set a 'watch' here — excellent WP work here; congrats!
Pew Forum - U.S. Religious Landscape Survey
Did anyone happen to notice how close the numbers are from the Pew Forum and the church's official statistics. Self identified members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make up 1.6% of the US population according to the report - see http://religions.pewforum.org/affiliations. At 300,300,000 estimated Americans at the end of 2007 (see http://www.census.gov/popest/national/NA-EST2007-01.html). That means Pew estimates that there are 4,820,800 members of the LDS church - not too far from the church reported figure of 5,779,316. However the Pew estimates are only for adults so that means that there are about 3,643,500 adults over 18 that are self identified members of the LDS church. Here is the front page for the report http://religions.pewforum.org/ --Trödel 22:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw parts of the article. I also thought it was interesting. Surveys rarely take into account statistics geographically. I remember the Salt Lake Tribune did an article about mormon statistics and refered to a phone survey. They forgot to mention Phone surveys aren't very accurate when 25% of the mormon population lives in a tiny part of the country.
So i guess the church has some pretty accurate statistics afterall... especially when you factor in the MLS program.
- For WP editors that may not know, the MLS (membership) computer software links from every worldwide branch/ward to SLC—so when someone is born or baptized at age 8 (or convert baptisms) the info is uploaded. It is not unexpected that stats are very accurate since the data is considered very important by those involved. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Missing the single most important piece of information
So I came to this article looking for one thing - a total count of members. How is it that the single most important piece of information relative to this article is nowhere to be found? Ridiculous. In before fix it yourself. I am moving on from this article which strikes me as a waste of space. --22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:32, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- See The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints membership history or https://lds.org/church/statistics?lang=eng Dmm1169 (talk) 01:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Done — Thanks to reader 75...193 (hope reader comes back) and to DMM-1169 for the excellent links. I used the second link for "In 2013, the membership of the LDS Church surpassed 15 million" adding to the introductory paragraph (Lede). — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 18:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
i have been looking for a way to locate and contact the branch but no way i am from africa i but i am here in malaysia pls; can i get the location pls — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 01:33, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- Done — Go to http://mormon.org/meetinghouse and put your city in the search box. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
This article should NOT use data provided by the LDS church, but should use verifiable numbers. The Salt Lake Tribune has successfully filed freedom of information acts requesting actual data, that shows huge differences between reported numbers and the real data. An article titled the Shrinking Majority published on July 24, 2005 in the Salt Lake Tribune had clear referenced data on not only US population Statistics, but World Wide numbers as well. They showed MASSIVE falsifications by the LDS church. They compared local census to church numbers and found that the LDS church to be off by factors of 4 or 5 times in 14 countries from around the world. They placed World Wide estimates of LDS membership at just over 1-million. US estimates were in the 4-million range and shrinking. I have the graphics but can't figure out how to upload them. And of course, the article has been pulled down out of the archives of the Tribune. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- User 184.108.40.206, This article shows the geographic the consecrations of members, wards, stakes, etc., which includes active and less active members. This is better explained at Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Tonga. I have not found any world-wide surveys other than what the church reports, and nobody has posted any on the page (please post it if you have any reliable data of this sort - using wikipedia guidelines). U.S. Nationwide surveys are found at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints membership statistics (United States) which shows the percentage of adults that claim LDS or Mormon.
- Also, the LDS church does not openly publish sacrament meeting attendance, temple attendance, etc. Where I'm located as well as other areas I know, sacrament meeting attendance has continually been on the rise. So it would be interesting to see where it's suppositively shrinking. Dmm1169 (talk) 00:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
I would question the trustworthiness of a source that would place the Maldives and the Seyshelles in the South Pacific area. These islands are in the Indian Ocean and should not be considered part of the South Pacific. Who checks this stuff? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 00:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
- It's been a year and this question is unanswered. Can someone 'watching' this page check? -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I propose that the tile be changed to "self-reported membership statistics." Matters would be clarified. All readers would know who/what compiled the numbers and be able to evaluate the numbers' significance for themselves. Tapered (talk) 00:30, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Clarity, Neutral language, Lede
The changes I made to the lede in no way changed the information, but emphasized the statistics are self-reported by LDS. The phrase 'active and less active' verges on euphemism, implying no 'inactive' members. Although there are undoubtedly degrees of participation, 'active and inactive' is clear. I'll add more info later, but Wikpedia 'search' is down right now. Tapered (talk) 08:33, 15 June 2015 (UTC)