Talk:The Fall (TV series)

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Cast Order[edit]

Unfortunately, a certain user has been messing up the cast order so as to promote an actor (in particular, User: 92.149.192.237 for Colin Morgan). There has been a trend of this person doing edit wars for the same purpose in other articles (used to be called Smaugh before too for the same purpose), thereby alienating other editors, causing a bad reputation not just for Colin Morgan fans (though it is nearly assured that no other fans behave this way - most are civil and logical) but for Colin Morgan himself - so I apologise for this person's behavior. Please don't look at the actor and his fans and think that we are like the editor in particular (since we have to tirelessly babysit the many articles they've edited that mention Colin Morgan). In the spirit of positivity and logic, I invite users 92.149.192.237 and 188.29.164.37 to please discuss the matter in a civil and concise manner. Thanks. --Aussie Photog (talk) 04:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


BBC & RTÉ Co-Production[edit]

Some determined editors keep attributing RTÉ with production credits, I can find NO evidence of this, all credits I can find are British/Northern Irish. Anything I can find about RTÉ's contribution is hearsay, based around the 'Homegrown Drama' ident used on RTÉ before the show aired. When I edited it the last time it was quickly undone with the message - Joint production, Don't edit this again, Surely this is not sufficient for Wikipedia, please provide some RTÉ credits/source or remove RTÉ as a co-producer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.115.113 (talk) 09:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


^^ In relation to the post above simply watch an episode and at the very end of the credits it says around producers "In association with RTÉ", if RTÉ had nothing to do with this programme then logically it would make absolutely no sense for it to air in Ireland first!

I was just wondering this. I was googling this very thing and wikipedia is the only place to credit RTE with a co-production, which does not seem to be the case and ought to be removed.Cameron* 18:35, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Stop editwarring in "extremely" and other gushing language, please[edit]

Use of breathless, hyper-superlative wording like "extremely" violates WP:W2W, WP:TONE, WP:PEACOCK, WP:NPOV, etc. Multiple editors have already objected to it, and you all know better.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  06:43, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Explain why dwelling on the lead character's sexuality is central to her description (and is it?)[edit]

Resolved: Article text has improved.

Just for the record, I strenuously object to a focus on Gillian Anderson's character's sexuality as one of the main points of a tiny, two-sentence description of the role, unless it's explained why that's allegedly encyclopedic information of such crucialness that it demands that much of a focus, if there's actually consensus to describe the character in such terms at all. Something like this does the job adequately if there's consensus to include "is comfortable with her own sexuality", but people keep reverting the "and this plays a pivotal role in her story arc with other characters" clarification. Please see MOS:FICT and absorb the fact that we do not write about fiction here as if this were a fan blog for people already familiar with a TV series. The presumption is that the reader has never seen it and never will see it, so all the text always has to make sense in the context of unfamiliarity with the show.

That said, absent third-party, reliable sources telling us that this is a truly central aspect of the character, it looks like WP:UNDUE weight and a WP:NPOV problem to include it in a one-liner nutshell of the character. It highly unlikely that we'd do this if the gender roles were reversed, and I note that we're not doing it with Rachel McAdams's arguably comparable character Antigone Bezzerides, at True Detective (season 2)#Main cast, despite the show opening with her sex-related problems, and her ending up as the only woman ordered into her department's sexual harassment sensitivity training seminar mid-way through the show. Dwelling on it here, about Gillian Anderson's character, without a WP:RS basis on which to do so, may come across as prurient, and feed into the frequently reported criticism of WP having sexist coverage. Whether you agree that characterization is true or not, the fact that it is a major, real-world public relations problem for Wikipedia is undeniable, so questionable material like this needs to be well-justified, not just on the talk page, but in the actual article prose context.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼ 

This concern has been resolved with intervening edits (good work Unframboise!) greatly expanding the character descriptions so the sexuality comment is no longer half of the description, and its relevance remains clarified to the reader.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  22:58, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

"British-Irish"[edit]

An anon IP changed "British-Irish" in the lead paragraph to "British," which was subsequently reverted by TonyIsTheWoman. This is a cage I'm loathe to rattle, but the discussion above notes that there is no evidence that this was co-production with RTÉ, notsithstanding the fact that two of the three series premiered on RTÉ One.

The infobox currently idetifies the production campanies as Fables Ltd, Artists Studio, and BBC Northern Ireland. Obviously the last is self-explanatory, and Artists Studio is based in Wales. Fables Limited is registered in London, and is presumably is the limited company specific to the project as a whole.

I can't see any justification for categorising the nationality of the series as "British-Irish," but would invite discussion before amending it. Nick Cooper (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I don't really have a dog in the race, as my concern is to establish a consensus here that would prevent future reverts and edits. I reckon that there was never any question about the production companies, but the networks involved.
RTÉ refer to their involvement on their site here: "The Fall, starring Jamie Dornan and Gillian Anderson, produced by Artists Studio in association with RTÉ." Same was mentioned in various publications about the show; e.g., here. I would also note that anon's claim in the discussion above is correct, as it is stated in the credits roll: "In association with RTÉ".
As RTÉ's involvement can't be denied, I reckon that adding a proper ref in the article could be imperative in preventing future reverts and edits. TonyIsTheWoman (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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