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- 1 Original Host
- 2 The Joy of Painting in the Netherlands
- 3 Controversy
- 4 Failed video game and parodies sections
- 5 Family Guy and VH-1
- 6 Bill Alexander was NOT the original host
- 7 Actually Ross stole from Bill Alexander
- 8 Grammar
- 9 Legacy section?
- 10 Source for number of seasons?
- 11 Requests for comment: Indefinite semi protection
Was there another host before Bob Ross? I remember watching "The Joy of Painting" years ago with an older, grey-haired host. He had a European accent of some kind, and his instruction was somewhat less soothing than Ross's... When painting a mountain, for example, he'd exclaim, "Fire it right in there!" while 'stabbing' the brush into the canvas. Once he was gone, that's when I recall Bob Ross doing the show.
- According to Talk:Bob Ross, this should actually be "Joy of Painting II", with the current tile being a (previous) show with this mentor as the host. --GargoyleMT 20:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- That was a man named Bill Alexander, I believe. Mr. Ross said he studied under him.
- Yes, that was the guy! Here's a link to his Wikipedia page...
- 22.214.171.124 05:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC) rAS
I believe Bill Alexander's show was called "The Magic of Oil Painting". I think they were two entirely different shows, even though Bob Ross did learn wet on wet oil painting from Bill Alexander. --Pandawdy 17:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The Joy of Painting in the Netherlands
As of March 31st AT5, has stopped airing The Joy of Painting, and a search revealed that currently no other stations in the Netherlands are broadcasting the show, so all references have been deleted Mr.RandomKnowledge 01:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This section seems to be misnamed to me? What controversy is there about the show being syndicated and still being broadcast? AnmaFinotera 04:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I was hoping for some painter controversy from this section, but it's just about syndication. It should be renamed 'Boring TV afterlife'.
--Wragge 20:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Failed video game and parodies sections
Failed activities of a notable subject that could have been notable are acceptable as long as they are properly referenced. Parodies, especially by other notable entities, are noteworthy because this refelcts the parodied subject's influence on notable culture. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 14:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, particularly the video game. Yes, it was never released, but it was still a rather revolutionary and speaks to the series longevity and cultural influence to come 11 years after the series ended and Ross died. The parodies, much as I personally dislike them, also do show the series cultural influence and continued memory in American society where normally a PBS show like this would be forgotten long ago. That section does, however, need some sourcing. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- I concur. Charles Edward 15:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The parodies are still unsourced after months, nor is there any reliable references regarding them. I've removed them again. Really, a list is unnecessary in either case, better would be reliably sourced reception info noting that it was frequently parodied. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:02, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Family Guy and VH-1
Family Guy has a small segment where Mr. Ross threatens to maim/hurt the viewer. I can't say which episode.
VH-1's Michael Ian Black talks about how humanity has produced the most gentle human, which is Bob Ross.
Bill Alexander was NOT the original host
In case no one is aware - and this is evident to me - Master Bill Alexander had his own show, "The Magic of Oil Painting" which had at one time an older, earlier title, "The Happy Painter".
Bob Ross began "The Joy of Painting" around 1982, his own version of Alexander's technique but never as sophisticated or as fast. Ross could never attain the audience Alexander enjoyed until Alexander's death in 1997.
Actually Ross stole from Bill Alexander
Also, I realize this may seem touchy, but I am certainly old enough to recall all this: Master Bill Alexander pioneered this technique, though lots of artists have used similar ways of painting.
It should be noted that Bob Ross basically stole Alexander's format, technique and TV presentation. Everything from the subject matter to the equipment - Ross even cleaned and dried his brushes exactly as Alexander had taught since BEFORE World War II. I made a sturdy screen bottom for a coffee can for brush cleaning - just as Alexander, not Ross, invented.
Alexander was on TV teaching this stuff, perhaps contemporaneously with Ross - but Ross, as I said, stole everything from Alexander. Yes, STOLE it. The only true difference is Bob Ross had a Plexiglas palette (which shape was specially designed by Alexander) - and he could never paint anywhere near as beautifully as Alexander did.
"Rather, he intended for viewers to learn certain techniques ..." should read "Rather, he intended viewers to learn certain techniques ..."
I'm almost positive everyone inside the creative spectrum and most people on the outside have some sort of knowledge watching his show, I think there should be a legacy section, indicating parodies and odes that were about either Bob Ross or the show in total. --Matt723star (talk) 01:08, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
- I was at a craft store a while back and saw Bob Ross band paints and brushes. Perhaps this counts as part of his legacy as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:49, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Source for number of seasons?
What is the source for The Joy of Painting running for 31 seasons? The show aired from 1983-1994, which is 11 seasons. His DVDs were broken into a series of 13 episodes each, but those are volumes, and not the original seasons. Huffington Post talks here about the show's 11 seasons, as the NY Post does here. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:02, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Where are you getting the 11 seasons from? I see them saying it in the sources you provided but they're selling a complete collection here from his own company that lists 31 seasons. FrameDrag (talk) 18:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
- The page you linked doesn't mention the word seasons at all. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)