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Moved. WhiteNight T | @ | C 00:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

One class[edit]

Taking one class offered by a college and making a whole section out of it seems to place undue focus on it. -Willmcw 19:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

No, the whole section is on the New School for Social Research, their graduate program for social science and humanities. Cognition 19:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Then how come 131 words of your new section is just a cut-and-paste of a class description? -Willmcw 05:53, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Delicious Irony[edit]

In 2003, the dialectical materialistic Auto Workers Union synthesized the Hegelian Idealistic administration of the traditionally leftist New School. The bosses of the Auto Workers Union must have been doing their social research.


I believe school was originally something of a breakaway from Columbia University. Does anybody have anything on this? - Jmabel | Talk 05:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

When the New School was young several moonlighting Columbia faculty taught there, and perhaps a few even joined full-time. But to call the New School a "breakaway" from Columbia seems unwarranted.


The history of the school, and what appears to be its three names, is simply not immediately clear. Someone who knows it well should fix it up. Unschool 02:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Acting program?[edit]

Deleting this statement:

A lot of casting directors and other schools/professors are critical of The New School's practicum, as no noteworthy actors have graduated from it.

Not only is it unsupported, it's also poorly worded - "A lot"? What does that mean? Also, considering that the New School's acting program is one year old, it is perhaps not surprising that "no noteworthy actors have graduated from it". This doesn't make the grade, if you will. --Chancemichaels 03:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

unexplained acronym[edit]

What does D-NE stand for after Bob Kerrey's name? John Vandenberg 04:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

it refers to Bob Kerrey's political history as a Democratic senator from Nebraska. Cuffeparade 06:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there an article on wikipedia that describes this notation in more detail? i.e., I have a few questions on the specifics of this, e.g. what if Bob was to become a senator for another region; would both be listed? I've seen this notation is in wide use on WP; I'm concerned that others from outside America will also scratch there heads at this one, esp. the two letter state codes. John Vandenberg 11:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if there is a relevant WP article referring to this practice, but it is standard in American newspaper style guides. To be honest I'm not entirely sure if it is commonly used to identify retired senators, which perhaps could clear up the necessity of using it in this case, but certainly for serving senators it is a standard style notation. Cuffeparade 05:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I've raised the question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress. John Vandenberg 12:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The New School in media citation flag[edit]

I am hoping for some clarification from the editor who added a fact tag to the paragraph on Jean Rohe's speech at the 2006 commencement. Is the citation required to provide sufficient evidence that she said that McCain doesn't represent the university, or that she said anything at all? If it's the former, then the previous 3 citations in that section appear to speak towards that. If it's the latter, I'll gladly dig up the relevant citations - I know she wrote a long (some might say long-winded) message on the Huffington Post immediately after the fact which should be satisfactory, and there are a number of other outlets that wrote on her speech in the week that followed, turning her into something of a 15 minute 'blogebrity'. Cuffeparade 09:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The New School for Social Research[edit]

I think there should be a separate page for The New School for Social Research; all the other divisions of The New School have separate articles. Andywata 10:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that makes sense - as it is this article is kind of split between history as it relates to the university as a whole as well as the grad school in particular. There would likely be some amount of redundancy between the two articles, but a NSSR article would be free of association with a lot of the New School stuff, and would potentially clear up this page as well (I'm thinking things like the noted faculty, which currently pretty much only refers to the NSSR people, while Parsons and Mannes both have some very notable faculty as well). Cuffeparade 12:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Notable Faculty[edit]

I added McKenzie Wark to the notable present faculty section. Basically my justification for this was the fact that he has a WP page, so if people have objections please do bring them up here. Cuffeparade 11:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Curious as to who the latest addition to the present faculty list, Reja Sabet, is. I searched the New School directory [1] and didn't find the name. A Google search[2] brought up various entries, including ones related to theater and Iran. If the editor who added the name could explain a bit more about this person, I would appreciate it, especially since they are the only entry on the list without their own WP page. Cuffeparade 07:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Is there any evidence that Keynes actually was a faculty member of the New School? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Recent Edits[edit]

I made a couple of substantive edits (as well as several minor edits), including a modest rewrite of the opening paragraph (partly just to make the jumble of successive names of the school a bit more clear) and a reformating of the history of the University in Exile and Philosophical Tradition sections. I'd like to do a bit more, but I wanted to bring the ideas up here first, as they are possibly a bit more controversial.

Firstly, I think that we could do well to put the adjunct faculty information into the New School in the Media section, as I don't know if that bit of news deserves its own section - I certainly don't see there being a general rule of noting the labor structure at universities in other articles (even Yale, which has had a number of high profile, bitter struggle with different labor groups, does not have a labor/union section).

Secondly, I just don't particularly like the photo of the map of the New School campus. I suppose it might as well stick around for now, but it's not a particularly useful image, you can't even use it as a map at the resolution that exists. I'll be back in New York in the near(ish) future, so perhaps I'll solve my own problem and take a better pic to illustrate the school. Also, perhaps we can add some information about the proposed 'Signature Building' to replace the GF building in the A New Identity section? Dunno, just a thought. Cuffeparade 12:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


There is an absolutely erroneous reference to Hannah Arendt as a member of the Frankfurt School in this entry. I'd like to know why the original author included her in this coterie. I have removed it in the interim. Though Arendt did indeed reside in Frankfurt for a period of time antebellum (and indeed, her first husband Gunther Stern became an acolyte of Adorno's), she had a pronounced dislike for Adorno and the Frankfurt School in general.

Fair use rationale for Image:Newschool.png[edit]

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Relevance & Neutrality of text in Presidential Campaigns[edit]

I'm a newbie to Wikipedia so if this isn't the right place to post this concern, pls let me know. Some details about the current US presidential election and the candidate's personal lives seem out of place in an article about the New School. Thanks! Midonz (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

BetacommandBot (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This section is mostly irrelevant to the New School:

In the early 1960s, the New School offered the father of Senator Barack Obama a generous scholarship package that would have paid for his immediate family (including wife Ann Dunham and son, the future Senator; then residents of Hawaii) to join him in New York City, where he would complete his PhD. He declined and instead abandoned his family and departed for Harvard University, where he had a less-generous scholarship with no family allowance.[1] The couple would divorce shortly afterward, leaving Obama with conflicted feelings about his father (detailed in his autobiographical Dreams from My Father). A school-age Barack Obama and mother Ann Dunham would move to Jakarta, Indonesia after her marriage to Lolo Soetoro. There, he attended various public schools, including Basuki school. In 2008, New School President (and Hillary Clinton supporter[2]) Bob Kerrey would comment that he wasn't troubled that Obama had "spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa"[3][4]–a statement he would later apologize for, given its factual inaccuracy and innuendo. Kerrey also made negative comments about John Edwards while speaking of his Hillary Clinton endorsement in January 2008: "Even before John Edwards was chasing ambulances in North Carolina and Barack was voting ‘present’ in the Illinois state senate, Senator Clinton was involved in major policy initiatives" [3] There had been some speculation[5] in the media whether Kerrey would have been under consideration by Clinton for Vice President had she won the Democratic nomination for President.

I propose that at the minimum, we delete all of the above text. Most of this is just an irrelevant summary of Obama's life. The parts about Bob Kerry's comments are relevant for his article, and will have no bearing whatsoever for this page once he leaves the school. Would anyone else like to comment? --DerRichter (talk) 17:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


I don't recall reading anything about Kerouac attending The New School. He attended and played football at Columbia. The referenced page doesn't exist, and even if it did it is in another online, reader edied encyclopedia. (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC) Woody Allen taught at The New School. He is not an alumnus. (talk) 00:04, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Rand School - New School Mystery[edit]

Dear Wikipedia editors for Rand School and New School:

The current (as of 2008.07.29) article on the Rand School states (with weak, unclear footnotes): :

  The Rand School is not to be confused with the New School for Social Research, a separate and unaffiliated institution of higher learning also located in New York City.[2][3]

The facts indicate (to me, at least) that the "New School" is in fact the "Rand School" rebranded. As the quotes below indicate, the same group of people (including Charles Beard, John Dewey, Thorstein Veblen) founded a post-high school-level school in the same location in New York City, both in the early 1900s.

Can you two please work together to establish the true history of the Rand School and New School relationship?

Please note: :

  In response, a small band of unconventional thinkers—including historian Charles Beard, philosopher John Dewey, and economists Thorstein Veblen and James Harvey Robinson—imagined an educational venue where they could freely present and discuss their ideas without censure, and where dialogue could take place between intellectuals and the general public. In 1919, they published a brochure listing their lectures and opened The New School

Clearly, the author of or a contributor to Wikipedia's article on the New School has referred to this source: :

  The New School for Social Research was founded by a group of university professors and intellectuals in 1919 as a modern, progressive free school where adult students could "seek an unbiased understanding of the existing order, its genesis, growth and present working."[8] Founders included historian Charles Beard, economists Thorstein Veblen and James Harvey Robinson, and philosopher John Dewey, several of whom were former professors at Columbia University.

Meanwhile, the Rand School wiki article links to the following page: :

  The Tamiment Library was originally founded in 1906 as part of the Rand School for Social Science, a pioneering workers education school sponsored by the American Socialist Society. In 1917 the school moved to 7 East 15th Street near Union Square where it remained for almost fifty-five years...
  Teachers included Scott Nearing and Betrand Russell, who lost teaching positions because of their political beliefs. Charles and Mary Beard were also members of the faculty...
  After World War II when many returning soldiers began to take advantage of the G.I. Bill of Rights to finance their college educations, the Rand School fell on hard times as enrollments dropped dramatically. In 1956 Camp Tamiment, a socialist summer camp in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains, purchased the Rand School and its library. It closed the school and attempted to integrate its educational and cultural programs into the Tamiment Institute. The Library was renamed the Ben Josephson Library.
  In 1963 New York University acquired the Library. In 1977, the Tamiment Institute, New York University, and the New York City Central Labor Council founded the Robert F. Wagner Labor Archives in order to preserve the historical records of the New York City labor movement. With the support of Harry Van Arsdale, president of the Central Labor Council, the Wagner became the designated repository of the Central Labor Council's member unions and affiliated organizations.

Conspicuously absent on the "history" pages of both the New School and Rand School's Tamiment Library is any connection (or lack of connection) with the two schools.

It would appear that the Rand School (Tamiment at NYU) and the New School themselves are trying to disassociate: why?...

Aboudaqn (talk) 14:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

You're mistaken. They were separate institutions who existed at the same time. More saliently, they had ideological differences. The Rand School was explicitly socialist, while the New School was unaffiliated. It was always eclectic and anti-ideological. Past professors at the New School have included conservatives like William F. Buckley [4] and Leo Strauss, alongside socialists and liberals and neocons and everything else. The New School graduate faculty was also home to Hannah Arendt for many years and currently the Iraq war hawk Christopher Hitchens teaches in the grad school.
Please see Peter M. Rutkoff's history of the New School (called "New School") for more information. It's available on google books.
--Pom1981 (talk) 22:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Founded on an "unbiased understanding of the existing order"? Lestrade (talk) 17:34, 2 April 2011 (UTC)Lestrade

When was the University-in-exile renamed to the Graduate Faculty of Political and Social Science?[edit]

When was the University-in-exile renamed to the Graduate Faculty of Political and Social Science? Was it really 1934 or later? (talk) 04:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


Seems strong. Princeton University, for example is not listed as "renowned." Dehbach (talk) 20:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

     Agreed, removed for interim while discussing Amleth (talk) 07:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Elsie Clews Parsons[edit]

Her page (and an Lelie Spier obituary says she was a part of the New Republic group and so founder and early teacher at the New School. She was an early (and an early female) Sociologist, a feminist, later a pupil of Franz Boas and important Anthropologist, and also: she had money and was married to a politician.--Radh (talk) 07:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Odd: Wilhelm Reich not mentioned[edit]

Wilhelm Reich taught at The New School when he arrived from Europe in 1939. It's pretty odd that this comprehensive article makes no mention of this. __meco (talk) 11:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Can Virtue Be Taught?[edit]

A unique virtue of The New School is its vigorous defense and support of free speech and diversity. This is exemplified in the article's Section 6.3 describing John McCain's speech at the graduation ceremony of 2006. Jean Rohe, a graduating senior who spoke before McCain, personified this New School virtue and should have a more prominent emphasis in the article. Lestrade (talk) 01:01, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Lestrade

Skin Spectrum[edit]

In the “Enrollment demographics” section, the statement, “41% of them are people of color” is made. Since the range of skin colors is a continuum, at what exact point or degree does “white” become “colored”? As Berkeley wrote, “…there is no man but has some colour….”(A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge, Introduction, 9). “Minorities” was also a bad choice of words. With increasingly vigorous bedroom activity, minorities easily become majorities over time.Lestrade (talk) 14:24, 13 September 2013 (UTC)Lestrade

This is the text I just removed from Loeb Hall[edit]

January 10, 1993 – Window incident results in Judy Maura’s death (15 C)

September 22, 1998 – Oak Hall renamed to Loeb Hall (Residence)

November 4, 1994 – Name kept anonymous due to the Resident’s Confidentiality Law of New York State (Section E : 31 / Par. 5.7). Loeb Hall shut down due to Code 37 violation (9 C). Resident sent to Fairfield Hills State Hospital, Newtown, CT.

1995 – Fairfield Hills State Hospital, Newtown closed down. The first of a trio of former abandoned “insane asylums” on the list and in the ensuing years has grown into a popular destination for ghost seekers as well as urban explorers. Like many former hospitals for the mentally disturbed, tales of cruelty and abuse surround the facility, which when combined with stories of odd happenings in the network of underground tunnels here — which have since been filled in — have helped forged its reputation, which was exacerbated when an episode of MTV’s “Fear” was filmed here. Plans to demolish the buildings and develop the 700+ acres keep starting and sputtering, but eventually this hospital of horror will only be a bad memory.

Rynn Berry, Mystery Jogger, Vegan Historian, New School Professor of Culinary History[edit]

I think that New School Professor of Culinary History Rynn Berry, the New York City "Mystery Jogger, Vegan Historian, should have been mentioned as a curious Faculty member. MaynardClark (talk) 01:36, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


  1. ^ Sailer, Steve. "Obama's Identity Crisis", The American Conservative (26 March 2007). Retrieved January 21, 2008.
  2. ^ "Kerrey Supports Clinton". Journal - Gazette. Ft. Wayne, Ind. (18 December 2007). pg. 9.A
  3. ^ Louis, Errol. "Hillary Clinton team throws racially-tinged mud at Barack Obama nonstop". New York Daily News (14 January 2008). Retrieved January 21, 2008.
  4. ^ "Democrats' Dirty Tricks Aimed at Obama". Indystar. Retrieved January 21, 2008.
  5. ^ Baehr, Richard. Hillary Found Her #2?. Realclearpolitics. Retrieved January 21, 2008.

Removed unsupported, contentious text[edit]

I removed the following as contentious and appears unsupported by citations. Please replace if a citation is found. Jim1138 (talk) 18:25, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Controversy arose because some students who were not directly involved in the occupation were beaten by police and arrested as well.

Richard D. Wolff image[edit]

Could someone who attends the school please go over to Richard D. Wolff's office and get a photo? Many thanks. :) 23:30, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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unsourced list[edit]

this is an unsourced laundry list.

Since its founding 92 years ago, The New School has graduated hundreds of notable alumni, most of whom excelled in creative fields. Among distinguished graduates are Woody Allen, Peter L. Berger, President Shimon Peres, fashion designer Donna Karan, Madeleine L'Engle, Marlon Brando, Bea Arthur, Jake Shears, Sufjan Stevens, Jean L. Cohen, Bradley Cooper, Tony Curtis, Ani DiFranco, Lorraine Hansberry, Michael Marder, Jesse Eisenberg, Paul Dano, Stacy Farber, Jonah Hill, business executive Stewart Krentzman, Nelson Barbosa, opera stars Danielle de Niese and Yonghoon Lee, Tatiana Santo Domingo, art historian Nelson Ikon Wu, fashion designers Tom Ford and Marc Jacobs, Will Wright, Thomas Luckmann, Eleanor Roosevelt, Ruth Westheimer, Norman Rockwell, Tennessee Williams, Brian Willison, and experimental psychologist Howard S. Hoffman.

Past distinguished faculty have included Woody Allen, Hannah Arendt, W. H. Auden, Rynn Berry, W. E. B. Du Bois, Henry Cowell, Josef Frank, Erich Fromm, Robert Frost, Martha Graham, Edith Hirsch, Christopher Hitchens, Eric Hobsbawm, Saul K. Padover, Leo Strauss and Frank Lloyd Wright.

-- 19:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Keep it. it follows the guidelines of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists and WP:ListFormat re "alumni". It is a list of Wikipedia articles and no secondary source is needed to prove to readers that these are indeed Wikipedia articles. Rjensen (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Neither of those pages waives WP:VERIFY. How shall we resolve our dispute? Third opinion maybe? Jytdog (talk) 08:18, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I added a footnote that you deleted that cites the names. We have a simple list of Wikipedia articles, like "See also" lists. Anyone can verify the links are there--none are red links! Lists of notable alum appear in many university articles and they are recommended by wp:Booster Review the Alumni Association's website to include additional notable alumni Rjensen (talk) 08:35, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't see an added footnote in this dif nor this one. Where did you add it? And WP:BOOSTER doesn't waive VERIFY either. And a link to a WP article is not a way to VERIFY anything. As for other articles, well, Wikipedia is full of bad content which is why the essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, exists. Again, what route of DR shall we pursue? Shall I neutrally open a thread at WT:VERIFY? I think I will just do that, actually. I'll leave a note here with the link. Jytdog (talk) 09:36, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I added the footnote on Revision as of 06:40, 1 May 2016. Let's look at the names: which is the FIRST one you think fails verification? Rjensen (talk) 09:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Ah, so you did! You provided a citation to this. Ranker is a wiki; Wikis are not reliable sources - see WP:SPS. Jytdog (talk) 09:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#VERIFY_and_lists_of_names_or_works Jytdog (talk) 09:41, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Let's look at the names: which is the FIRST one you think fails verification? Rjensen (talk) 09:52, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Every. One. Of. Them. VERIFY isn't optional. Look we are deadlocked; per WP:DR it is time to seek dispute resolution, which I have done. Let's see what folks say at WT:V. Jytdog (talk) 09:59, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
name the one you are sure about and we can talk about it. Rjensen (talk) 10:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
What you are saying makes no sense. By the way, please see this dif which is what prompted me to remove this list finally, which is what I had been considering for a while now. (and do as you suggested above, and actually go to that article) Jytdog (talk) 10:02, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
despite your claim about "every" name You did not look at the names-- try Shimon Peres Rjensen (talk) 10:16, 1 May 2016 (UTC)