Talk:The Offspring

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Singular vs. plural[edit]

Any reason why the band is referred to as plural? In American english, entities and groups are singular...i.e. "The Offspring IS" or "The Offspring HAS" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.233.5 (talk) 18:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Chinese Democracy[edit]

Does anyone have a source for the lawsuit threat from the GNR camp? The Offsprings official website says the band chose to change the name themselves after they weren't able to get anything done, no mention of a lawsuit. The Chinese Democracy Wiki page says it was an April Fools joke, everything else I can find online concurs with one of those two statements. Unless someone can find a source more reliable than the bands official website to say there was a lawsuit I'll change it.

(And incidentally is it even possible to copyright an album name?) Danikat (talk) 08:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Post-grunge[edit]

The Offspring is clearly grunge influenced (loud-soft dynamics, lyrical themes). Post-grunge is a genre that is a more commerical version of grunge.

They are grunge influenced but that does not mean they are post-grunge. If you look at popular post-grunge bands, such as: nickelback,creed, papa roach etc. they do not have any musical similarities to the offspring. Also the soucre provided for that claim does not state that they are post-grunge it states that they used a similar formula of grunge music in their earlier work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.227.68 (talk) 01:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

They aren't grunge, I mean come on, really? If you actually listen to grunge rather than just go by a text book definition, you'll note that almost all *good* grunge artists (IE not Nickelback) elongated their lyrical speech. The Offspring songs are generally quite quick as far as riffs and lyrics go, so they're definitely more in the Punk scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.55.2 (talk) 04:52, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Allmusic says they are post-grunge, so lets just go with that. And honestly who cares that much, to remove it every time someone adds it as a genre.Richard.darren (talk) 10:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Where was the band formed?[edit]

Huntington Beach? Garden Grove? I can't find sources for either city.Hoponpop69 (talk) 21:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I belivie they were formed in Orange County —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skullbird11 (talkcontribs) 17:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

There are from Garden grove, Went to the same high school — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.7.212.141 (talk) 06:47, 30 August 2011 (UTC) I can't see how its ignored that "Self Esteem" catchy start is just a Nirvana "Teen Spirit" knock off? Its never mentioned-even by the band. To me its as if they are going to do a cover of Teen Spirit,then breaks into Self Esteem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.116.55 (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

POV[edit]

'"Gone Away" appears on Ixnay on the Hombre and is arguably one of the best songs released by Offspring.' Isn't that a very POV statement to make. DavidJJJ (talk) 18:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's definitely a POV statement to make. I just removed it. Alex (talk) 19:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

whoa[edit]

"Many of their songs contain refrains of "whoas""

add self esteem to this list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.160.17 ([[User talk:86.16.160.17|talk- Template:UnsignedIP -->

Why "breakthrough success" should have it's name changed or be split into two sections[edit]

Breakthrough implys you all of a sudden breakthrough into the mainstream, you can not be a breakthrough sucess for 8 years, eventually you become an established act. If no one objects I'm going to split this into two sections.Hoponpop69 (talk) 23:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I have no objection Jacknife737 (talk) 19:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Genre(s)[edit]

I thought The Offspring is Punk rock, Hardcore punk and Alternative rock. I think we should add Hardcore and Alternative in the Infobox.

A new genre can be added to the infobox, as long as there is a source provided. Jacknife737 (talk) 17:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I added Alternative rock and Post-grunge because their music is described as both on allmusic.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.173.19.156 (talk) 12:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic is a horrible source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.234.231 (talk) 21:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

i agree,if we all relied on allmusic,nearly every band would be 'emo',as well as 'post-grunge'--86.43.213.63 (talk) 12:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Concert dates in the main article[edit]

There are lots of these under the RAFRAG section; I think they are inappropriate for the main article. There is a Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace Tour page where they are contained so why not keep them there. Is it really necessary to know every single concert that The Offspring plays in?--The Skeleton (talk) 13:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

No objections? Then I'll remove most of them and put a link to the tour page.--The Skeleton (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The Offspring is not "post-grunge"... bands like Nickelback, Foo Fighters, 3 Doors Down are post-grunge. However, I believe that where "Pop punk" is, there should be "Alternative rock". Anybody agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanner9461 (talkcontribs) 21:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Band Members[edit]

I think the table is unnecessary and should be removed, i think the single names of current, former, and tour members is pretty enough... someone deal with this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.230.7.147 (talk) 23:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Chris Higgens still a band member.[edit]

Chris "X-13" Higgens is still a band member, in the booklet for the Rise and Fall Rage and Grace, on the last page it says that backing vocals by "Higgens (X-13)", thereby that's clarifying that he is still indeed a band member, so it would make no sence to put him under currect muscians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Offspringfan16 (talkcontribs) 03:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

He is listed under former touring musicians, as he no longer plays a touring role with the band. Although, i do agree that he is still active with the band. Jacknife737 (talk) 21:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

3 Albums' status[edit]

This line doesn't make sense: "The band's next three albums, Ixnay on the Hombre, Americana and Conspiracy of One, were also successful, reaching platinum certification and gold status respectively.[12][13]"

There's a list of three items then 2 qualifiers listed as "respectively". The number of items in the lists doesn't match, making the statement ambiguous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theeldest (talkcontribs) 19:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I just read that too. So, which were platinum, and which gold? Needs to be rewritten.Yobmod (talk) 09:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I have re-phrased it. All actually achieved platinum status according to the RIAA site, with Americana reaching 4x platinum, so I put that in too. Feel free to clarify things yourselves in future with the sources provided and fix the article. It's what wikipedia is all about! Nouse4aname (talk) 10:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

"Rise anf Fall, Rage and Grace" singles[edit]

Isn't "Stuff is Messed Up" also a single? At least, they relased a video for this song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.46.89 (talk) 06:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Pop Punk[edit]

If you look at the Wiki Pages for Pop Punk and Punk Rock, you will see that Offspring more closely meets the definition of Pop Punk than Punk Rock.. Really, the only true punk rockers were certain bands that defined and played punk rock in the mid to late 70s.. Any bands calling themselves punk after that time period are just doing so in an attempt to give themselves a degree of credibility with their fans.

I encourage everyone who cares about the integrity of wiki articles to watch out for editors like Alex101 who treat band articles like their own private fan page. I made a change to the main article to call Offspring a Pop Punk band instead of a Punk Rock band and Alex101 changed it back the next day giving the argument "they are a punk band".. 71.182.247.167 (talk) 15:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. There is no shame in being a pop punk band. That is what they are and it cannot be denied. However, such genres are particularly contentious amongst editors that are offended by their favourite band being labeled as such, so it is important to provide reliable sources when stating such facts. The warnings to "not change genres without discussion on the talk page" are not enforceable. Essentially, anything that can be well referenced and adheres to a neutral point of view can and should be included. Nouse4aname (talk) 08:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Disagree....you don't have to like the 2nd/3rd wave punk bands from the mid to late 80s, but they are punk. They followed punk, played punk shows/venues, etc... I personally met the offspring and drove them to a party in Vegas around 1987-88. Anybody that was punk during that era before punk became "mainstream" knows how anemic the genre had gotten and there were few bands left that were punk. It had gotten to be fairly underground and ignored. The Offspring come out and really brought an old-school TSOL sound with them. Sure it was more refined and I guess "pop" sounding...but they were nothing but punk rock.
By the way...this article says that the Offspring, Green Day and Rancid were credited with making punk mainstream. I agree partially with that. In reality though, the real credit is to the energy of the East Bay punk scene that had a rippling effect around the world (Crimpshrine, Isocracy, OPIV, Gilman St., Lookout Records, Maximum RnR, etc.... )...that and the professionalism and polished sound of Bad Religion and Epitaph Records. I personally remember it well, and feel that Bad Religion getting back together/Epitaph and the East Bay/NorCal punk scene is what is responsible for creating the energy back in punk that got the mainstream's attention. These bands were just bi-products of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unlvrebelx (talkcontribs) 19:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Punk Rock[edit]

The Offspring's discogrpahy is overwhelming composed of punk rock songs. Punk Rock is still the primary influence in their newest albums. For what reason would they be considered more rock than punk rock or pop punk?

Punk rock[edit]

I also think that the band's genre should be punk rock instead of simply rock. They started playing melodic hardcore and skate punk, and in their last works the predominant genre is punk rock, along with some pop punk songs. I agree they've played several kinds of rock, such as grunge (Self-steem, Dirty Magic or Vultures), alternative rock or ska punk (Why don't you get a job?, The Worst Hangover Ever, for example), and even surf rock (Come Out And Play); but most of their songs are punk rock, skate punk, pop punk and melodic hardcore. The fact that they experimented with other genres doesn't mean they are not punks any more, and they still critize society. They also have joined many punk projects, such as punk-o-rama or Oi!: sound of the UK; and some of their songs reflect their condition (100 Punks). In some interviews they've been called punk rock, and even they call theirselves punk rock.

That's why I think that Offspring is punk rock, and not only rock.

Eastern influence[edit]

The band has a very good degree of influence by Oriental Music. Well, shouldn't the details be included in the influences?Muthuppattar (talk) 09:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Punk Rock?[edit]

On search engines such as Yahoo, when you find the official Offspring site by searching for it, you see this message under the link to the official site: "The Offspring - The official web site of the Southern California punk band."

Source: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=offspring&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.92.184 (talk) 21:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Ninth Studio Album Page?[edit]

Do anyone else think it's time to make an article on the ninth studio with the amount of information gathered so far?

No mention at all about the various included voices throughout the albums[edit]

There is no mention regarding to Jason "Blackball" McLean ("You gotta keep 'em seperated" and "Mota"), John Mayer (Intermissions and random speech) and Calvert DeForest, Larry "Bud" Melman (hidden track on Ixnay, one liners on Americana)

This is not very well known; name do not appear on album covers, and Google does not give it up easily. (With much thanks to UhhOhh and ToNkA.)

Bushy555 (talk) 06:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I feel they should be added on the album pages, but not the main band page. Of course, you will need sources to cite from. Skullbird11 (talk) 13:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Heavy focus on recent years[edit]

It's kind of odd that there is way more about what the band has been doing in the last three years than about everything they did before 2000, the years of their formation and greatest success. Shouldn't the focus be on the period when the band was at the height of its influence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.206.151.130 (talk) 04:23, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

ALSO-Why is it never mentioned that "Self Esteem" starts as almost a direct steal of Nirvana's "Smells like Teen Spirit"?..it almost mocks the song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.116.55 (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Because we don't have a reliable source making that claim. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:48, 22 October 2012 (UTC)