Talk:The Ohio State University Marching Band

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Nice but POV[edit]

The page seemed to have a nice range of information, but most from the POV of an OSU band member. I cleaned up some of the sentences and added wiki links… but this is an encyclopedia and sentimental information really needs some facts or references to back it up. --Zagsa 00:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

What song does the Band play...[edit]

What classical music piece does the band play after a good defensive play (sack or tackle for a loss)? I don't know if its Wagner or someone else.

You're referring to either an excerpt from Musorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain" or the beginning of "Fortuna Imperiex Mundi" from Orff's Carmina Burana, both of which are played as defensive cheers. --a current member

thank you, you are correct. i've been looking forever for that answer. good job! are you in the band or something?

Honorary “i”-dotters[edit]

The OSU Athletics website lists more "i"-dotters than are listed here: [1]. Note that you must read the entire article--parts of it are conflicting. -- Mohrr 04:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Back Bend[edit]

The University of Michigan Drum Major has been doing the back bend without a hat for several years. So this makes absolutely no sense. "As part of the big rivalry between Ohio State and Michigan, during the 2006 football game between the two undefeated teams, Michigan's drum major removed his hat, sat back and touched his head to the ground rather than doing the act with his hat still on. Bending back and touching the hat on the ground is a tradition of drum majors at both schools."

Script Ohio[edit]

This article is getting too long. Since Script Ohio is notable, I think it should get its own article. Currently, Script Ohio redirects to the section in the article. —JonTerry4) 22:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Traditions section violates copyright[edit]

It looks to me like the "Traditions" section of this article has been lifted from this page here and should be re-written ASAP. Groupthink (talk) 04:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I've excised the copyvio portions that have been pointed out. -- Upholder (talk) 17:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ohio State buckeyes logo.png[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

deleted uniform and staff info[edit]

I disagree that information regarding the uniforms and staff is not appropriate as the user who just deleted this material does. I would say that is entirely germane but needs to be way more concise and written in a neutral encyclopedic tone with corresponding references. Those who are interested are encouraged to restore this information with improved style and tone. ... That could well extend to most of the rest of the article, too! Markhh (talk) 02:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

  • The problem isn't even the tone so much, which throughout the article is fairly decent. It's just that the precise size and polish of the shoes is simply of no value whatsoever, and that goes for a lot of detail, like the precise organization by letter of the band or songs that have at some point been played for the Skull Session. Just because the band is notable, as a college football tradition (and that bit needs a citation urgently--why not spend your energy looking for that?), doesn't mean that every single detail is notable: see WP:NOTDIR. The article had totally descended into fancruft, and as such has been rightfully tagged for two years now. Drmies (talk) 03:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
    • It appears that User:Drmies is out to prove a point (that being to delete information that in their opinion isn't vital) rather than to approach this article with an in-depth understanding of the topic and contribute to improving the article while staying neutral. Someone who deletes entire topics without consideration seems brash, inconsiderate, and preconceived. Yes, I agree that what songs are played at Skull Session may not be necessary but certainly the topic of Skull Sessions is important to understanding the band. It appears to me at least that Drmies is a bit uneducated on this topic and I would suggest to Drmies that they remove him/herself from further debate on this topic and let other more neutral educated editors take over. Let's work through these topics by improving their quality therefore making them valid topics while making the removal of information a last resort.--Cladestine (talk) 06:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
      • I for one like your additions. Even though they may be a little detailed for the general reader and some judicial condensing may be in order, I think this is exactly the kind of info that readers are looking for when they look up this article. If I could offer a suggestion though, it would be to add as many reliable references as possible to document your facts. Also remember at all times to maintain a neutral tone or POV, which I think you have done. Cheers! Markhh (talk) 06:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

No Sources Contribution[edit]

I removed this text added to the Script Ohio section. The contributor did not cite any sources and provided no edit notes in an article that already is poorly sourced and lacks quality standards. If we can find sources for this information then lets put it back into the article. But for right now poorly sourced contributions make me cringe and this is an article that doesn't need anymore of them. Here's what I removed:

"High schools in Ohio (like Kettering Fairmont, Greenville and Boardman) have also adopted it for their marching bands, with every school's case of usage started with having a OSU alumni who studied there and also was or is a past or present OSUMB band member or have asked the band's administration to give them permission to use the Script Ohio routine plus the sousaphone dotting of the "i", either using Sambre et Meuse or other marches as background music, or even adopted it after a OSU visit by the band conductor."

--Cladestine (talk) 18:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Ohio State University athletic band[edit]

What is the difference between Ohio State University athletic band and The Ohio State University Marching Band? If there is no difference, should they both be combined together? Ohho (talk) 22:20, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Judging by the first couple of paragraphs of the Athletic Band article, they are separate bands, with largely separate histories, traditions, membership and qualifications, albeit with a few periods in which they've operated very closely. JohnInDC (talk) 22:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

The two bands are separate organizations. There is some overlap in membership and both use the Stadium Band Center for practice. The Ohio State University Marching Band is all brass and percussion and exits only during the fall quarter. Membership requires a tryout with a fixed number of students per instrument. The OSU Athletic Bands is open to most instruments found in a high school marching band (flutes, clarinets, and saxophones) and exists during Fall, Winter and Spring quarters. Membership is by enrollment with few restrictions. During Winter and Spring quarters, the Athletic Band functions as the pep band as requested at many campus functions including all home mens basketball games, many womens bball games, hockey, volleyball, even wrestling, baseball and track. They perform pregame and half-time at the spring football game. During Fall quarter the Athletic Band covers many athletic and other campus functions that the OSUMB cannot fit into their schedule. The Athletic Band used to be called the Military Band and was originally formed to give students who did not qualify for the OSUMB an opportunity to learn school songs and rudimentary marching. Jagad5 (talk) 18:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Reference to OU Marching 110[edit]

Rather than continuing what looks to be the beginning of a petty editing war, please make comments here. Wikipedia is built on consensus: please see this page.

I am removing a reference to the Diamond Ohio explicitly as a symbol of the Ohio University Marching 110. The wording (in reference to the berets worn by TBDBITL) was "Instead of a U.S. military black shield, there is a diamond shaped patch featuring a symbol of the Ohio University Marching Band from Athens Ohio; the Diamond Ohio." The reference here is inappropriate for several reasons.

1. The Diamond Ohio is not solely a symbol of the 110——it is also a symbol of the Ohio State Marching Band. If you walk through the band center in Ohio Stadium you see the Diamond Ohio everywhere. Simply visit their website and you'll see the symbol. The way that the article was worded was misleading and made it sound like the use of the Diamond Ohio is an explicit reference to the 110. That's simply not accurate. If included at all, the reference ought to be worded quite differently: "a symbol also used by the OU band," for example.
2. I believe this reference to the 110 is outside Wikipedia's standards for inclusion in this article. Please see this page on what Wikipedia is not. Specifically view the section titled "Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion." I believe this is a matter of promotion for two reasons:
A. My point in section 1. of this post that the IP user who made this edit worded it in such a way to ignore the widespread use by TBDBITL and referenced the symbol instead as specifically a symbol of the 110. The word "also" was nowhere in the edit.
B. This comment made by the same IP user on a talk page that referenced the likelihood that the Diamond Ohio was stolen by the Ohio State band.
I believe this information was included in the article with an agenda and this sort of promotion is entirely inappropriate on Wikipedia. Again, please see this page on what Wikipedia is not. It would not be appropriate for a user to go on the Marching 110 page and add information that their nickname (The Most Exciting Band in the Land) is sort of similar Ohio State's nickname (The Best Damn Band in the Land). It's not relevant. The person could then cite published works that declare the Ohio State band to be the best in the country. Simply having a published reference doesn't mean that inclusion in that article is appropriate.

Moreover, whoever made the first Diamond Ohio is entirely beyond the scope of the article.

If anyone wants to have a discussion, that would be great. For now, however, I'm removing this edit. Thanks.

— Gbms86—talk 14:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC)