Talk:The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy

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Same subject as the other article.--Seventy-one 05:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


What's our source for this assertion? Lindbergh doesn't quote Stoddard or Spengler. -Will Beback · · 07:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, now the text reads:

In this form it doesn't belong in this article - it belongs in the Spengler article. Unless material directly concerns The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy it doesn't belong here. -Will Beback · · 08:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The Spengler article has a fundamentally similar statement, so I've removed this one. --Shane Landrum (cliotropic) 22:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Contemporary reviews[edit]

"Intellectual interest in The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy (1920) derives from contemporary analyses of the historical accuracy of its geo-political predictions, not its racism." This needs some work on neutral point of view. There may well be "intellectual interest" in other aspects of the work not related to its racism (if that's possible), but the two items cited below it are from white-nationalist/anti-immigrant websites. In that context, claims that Stoddard was right in historical predictions may be used to bolster the idea that his racism is morally defensible. This statement should cite less-biased sources, either by removing those existing links or by adding others with more credibility. --Shane Landrum (cliotropic) 22:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

  • You don't understand. Racism is essentially the masculine instinct to prevent males of alien race breeding with the women of the tribe, in terms of evolutionary psychology, as Simon Sheppard has pointed out. Go to porn sites such as and and you will see white women having sex with black men. Many males of different tribes and groupings of various kinds have gone to war against each other throughout history. If the men of tribe A were killed by tribe B the men of tribe B could take the women of tribe A who would then perceive the men of tribe B as strong invaders and thus genetically possessing a high level of biological fitness. This is why the KKK and so on used to lynch blacks and it was the real reason for racial segregation in the USA and apartheid in South Africa. However this type of pornography is also fetishised by some white men due to male sex targeting (see here). The idea of super masculine and super feminine states explains the interaction between males and females and the different races. The super masculine state dominates, the super feminine state becomes extinct. The western world today is super feminine due to being controlled by Rothschild central banking finance who implement non-white immigration and left-wing lunatic policies (which they do not do in Israel) in order to keep white men at bay. Another example of a super feminine state was Mesoamerica when it was conquered by the Spaniards. A super masculine state would be Spain during the Reconquista from the Moors.--X sprainpraxisL (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Contemporary interest in Stoddard was completely because of his racism; current scholarly interest is as well. I've read a lot of scholarship on Stoddard, and none of it has been about his supposed geopolitical claims. (Also, the first part of this article is simply wrong--that Stoddard does not advocate white supremacy; he does.) This article either needs to get citation, or those claims should be dropped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chesterburnette (talkcontribs) 14:52, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Colored vs. Coloured[edit]

In the version of The Great Gatsby that i have, it says the "Rise of the Colored Empires" rather than the "Rise of the Coloured Empires" as it says in the article. I don't necessarily want to change it because perhaps in the original version it is spelled the other way. Does anyone know for sure? (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Hour of Decision[edit]

In both the German and the (digitalized and linked) English edition of The Hour of Decision Stoddard's book is cited impartially as a normal source (German edition of 1933: p. 153). Also, the chapter about The Coloured World-Revolution is by no means criticizing Herrenvolk ideology, but a mere stoic assessment of forthcoming decline as is the whole volume and as was Decline of the West. Sorry, but I'd like to stick to facts here. --Gropaga (talk) 14:05, 17 August 2016 (UTC)