Talk:The Roches

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Authorship attribution[edit]

The original version of this page was based on content from The Roaches. See the edit history of that page for information on the authorship of that content. -- Oliver P. 19:43, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)

Removal of photo[edit]

Why was the band photo deleted? It is a publicity still provided by the band from its website

What was the group's start date?[edit]

Based on the info in the first paragraph of the "Career" section, it seems hard to justify the year given in the infobox (and now also in a category) of 1973. If their start was when Maggie and Terre formed their duo then it should be earlier, but if you take the view that it was when Suzze joined them then it should be later. JH (talk page) 10:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

New Albums[edit]

Terre Roche put out a new album called Imprint in 2015. I don't know how to edit with any confidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amigammon (talkcontribs) 20:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion[edit]

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Maggie[edit]

I don't think the article on Maggie Roche has anything which shouldn't be in this article. Discuss? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 23:49, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Merge. I agree. Merge Maggie Roche into this one. There's no indication thus far that she did anything outside of the Roches to justify a freestanding article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge. As above. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge Ditto.Chip.berlet (talk) 13:45, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • do no merge multiple reliable sources including a NYTimes obit about the individual means she is notable in her own right. see also Paul Simon and Simon & Garfunkel Queen-washington (talk) 20:04, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't see why. What exactly did she do, outside of the Roches, that made her separately notable? You're comparing her with Paul Simon? Really?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Of course the obituary was only for her - other band members did not die. That does not make her individually notable. We should be guided by WP:BAND, in particlar: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • the criteria is notability. she garnered an obit in the NYTimes with extensive reliable information about her. that makes her notable. what part of WP:GNG do you not understand? by the same logic you might have to merge all the biographies of musicians "principally known" for membership in one group. wp:band 1 "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself" = NYTimes + Guardian. Queen-washington (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • No, sorry, I don't understand. And, by the way, "by the same logic", I am proposing nothing of the kind. Yes, OK, Maggie is the one who's dead. I'm sorry for that, but that's how you get an obit. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • WP:GNG is a general notability guideline. Where there are more specific criteria - such as for musicians at WP:BAND - we use them. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:47, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep freestanding article. Subject here has multiple obituaries in reliable sources including the New York Times. econterms (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Could you explain how that fits in with WP:SINGER, particularly: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." (My emphasis.) Thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
The obituary writers don't get a choice - it's either an article about that one person or nothing, whether or not they were only famous as part of a group. They don't generally wait for the whole group to die. They don't need to follow Wikipedia policy. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
the obituary writers have a choice, they can write an obituary in which case the subject are notable, or not in which case they are not. you have a choice, you can follow GNG and Band and singer, ("1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself") in which case the notable singer has an article, or not in which case you merge. Queen-washington (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
How does having an obituary published show that she "demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band"? Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Do the obituaries include material showing that she was notable in her own right? Would the songs that she wrote make her notable, given that for the most part she wrote those on her own? Have her songs been covered by groups/artists other than the Roches? JH (talk page) 09:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, we'd want to answer those questions. As it stands, I don't think the stand-alone article shows any of that. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
see also Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(music)/Archive_13#"Members_of_notable_bands_are_redirected"_--_developed_in_error -- Queen-washington (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Would you care to summarise that huge wall of text there and how it relates to this discussion? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)