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Was The Saloon Really Destroyed in the 1906 Fire ?[edit]

An anonymous user (172.58.24.111) has stated that he has seen an old photo which shows that the Saloon had actually burned down in the 1906 Fire. This is contrary to the SOURCED information provided in Rand Richards book, Historic Walks in San Francisco. But the anonymous user could very well be right, however he/she has not sourced any of their statements. When I am next in San Francisco I will find this photograph at Specs Bar, take a snapshot of it, and try to better verify the anonymous user's claim. James Carroll (talk) 00:18, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Saloon absolutely did not survive. There are numerous photos clearly showing rubble where it stood after the quake and fire. There is also a building permit for 1907 rebuilding of The Saloon. It's been a comedy that this false history has suppressed reality for so long with so much insurmountable evidence. Fanciful tales of sailors and prostitues with nothing but evidence to the contrary. A San Francisco history page on Facebook has gathered numerous documents on the matter. A page search for "Saloon" will reveal.

https://brokeassstuart.com/2019/05/28/did-san-franciscos-oldest-bar-the-saloon-actually-burn-down-in-1906/?fbclid=IwAR3ZpLwqn3Tqu2c6WKsjKbkh3hMfs4ZavbTr8BGusEZzrIQEbJ9McjbRviE

https://m.facebook.com/story/graphql_permalink/?graphql_id=UzpfSTY0MzE2OTMwNDpWSzozOTE2MzMxOTc2MjgyMzE%3D J1DW (talk) 21:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given that this new detailed source by Sam Devine refutes Rand Richards' brief statement in Historic Walks in San Francisco, that The Saloon's building survived the fire following The Great Earthquake of 1906, it makes sense to delete that myth and its controversy entirely from an encyclopedic article such as this. James Carroll (talk) 21:34, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it should be removed. This is a link to a 1906 photo showing that the Saloon was rubble. The property where the saloon stood is circled. https://ibb.co/pnRJxT8 J1DW (talk) 13:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@J1DW: Great research and edit. Is that photo on the wikimedia commons? Do you think that photo would bee a good addition to the article?DKSwims (talk) 16:27, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to continue to be a work of fiction[edit]

"opened in 1861, and has been in continuous operation ever since." - Except for the period between when it burned down in the 1906 fire and wasn't even permitted to rebuild until 1907.

"The building looks very much the same as it does in photographs from the 1870s" Except it didn't exist in the 1870s because that building burned to the ground in 1906. The new building used the same design.

"The elaborate wooden bar which is currently in use was installed in the 1860s" If this were true, a citation would be needed to explain how it survived the fire in 1906 when the Saloon entirely burned to the ground, as per the numerous cited pieces of evidence above, including the photo of rubble, where the building used to stand. J1DW (talk) 02:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed New Section That Lists High-Profile Musicians of The Saloon[edit]

In many ways, The Saloon was to music what the Holy City Zoo was to the comedy scene. In both cases, the heritages of these small but influential clubs are noted by high-profile performers who played upon their stages. As with the Holy City Zoo article, it seems valuable to have a section that lists nationally famous and/or high-profile musicians who have played there -- ideally being performers notable enough to also have their own Wikipedia article that would link to their mention. But we also might need to be careful that within this new section, lesser-known and self-promoting musicians do not jump on the bandwagon and list themselves despite their lack of notoriety. Like the Holy City Zoo article, it should probably be a requirement that any musicians listed also have their own Wikipedia article. Any thoughts? James Carroll (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]