Talk:The Shape of Things to Come
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World Encyclopædia Establishment
um, that section reads: "The latter organisations have no apparent contemporary parallels." really?
"The book described something called the 'World Encyclopædia Establishment'." What about Wikipedia?
"'Central Observation Bureau' and the 'Record and Library Network', were 'complex organization of discussion, calculation, criticism and forecast' created by the Air Dictatorship." um, the Internet, CNN, Blogosphere, CIA, NSA, State Intelligence? I get they were not all set up by the "Air Dictatorship" but there are some obvious "contemporary parallels." i propose some editing.--188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Wells despised Marx and generally refused to concede the idea of a dictatorship withering away came from him. Not sure how to put that in.--T. Anthony 06:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- Wells loved Marx... buy wasn't a fan of Leninism and alike.
- Umm you got it backwards. On page 143 of his Experiment in Autobiography: Discoveries and Conclusions of a very ordinary Brain I quote "There would have been creative evolution, and possibly creative revolution of a far finer type in Karl Marx had never lived" and on page 625 "My habitual polemical disposition to disparage Marx does not blind me to his pioneer awareness of..." So at best "I disparage him, but he was sometimes right." Whereas of Lenin he states, "I grudge subscribing to the 'great man' conception of human affairs, but if we are going to talk at all of greatness among our species, then I must admit that Lenin at least was a very great man."(pg 666 ) He wrote that Autobiography in 1934, about the time this came out so presumably his views were similar then.--T. Anthony 10:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Use of CE
The page on Common Era claims that its first usage as a dating system was used "as early as 1715", which predates this work by more than a century. Specifically, "[s]ome Jewish academics were already using the CE and BCE abbreviations by the mid-19th century", with a source cited. This article contains no source for the claim that Wells was one of the first, and flatly contradicts the CE article. I'm by no means an expert on the subject, but it seemed worthy of bringing up. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 04:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I removed this section because it seems to be based on the incorrect assumption that this prediction proved accurate. Well, it didn't. The war did not start because of the Polish corridor. And there are just too many incorrect predictions by Wells to list them.
===Polish Corridor as cause for World War II=== H. G. Wells criticized the Polish Corridor as one of the future causes of World War II:
|“||And to keep the waters of the Vistula as pure and sweet for Poland as the existence of Danzig at the estuary allowed,
the peace-makers ran the Vistula boundary between Poland and east Prussia, not in the usual fashion midway along the stream, but at a little distance on the east Prussian side (Jacques Kayser, La Paix en Péril, 1931). So that the east German population, the peasant cultivator, the erstwhile fisherman, the shepherd with his flocks to water, was pulled up by a line of frontier posts and a Polish rifle within sight of the stream.
|“||Within a dozen years of the signing of the Treaty of Versailles the Polish Corridor was plainly the most dangerous
factor in the European situation. It mocked every projection of disarmament. It pointed the hypnotized and impotent statescraft of Europe straight towards a resumption of war.
Despite being pretty reasonable, I chopped the following text because it doesn't contain any cites. Please find a reliable 3rd party commentary that makes this connection before re-including. Ashmoo (talk) 15:52, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
The Kipling connection Wells's "Air and Sea Control", the association of pilots and technicians which controls the world's communications and eventually develops into a world government, seems a clear literary descendant of an institution called the Aerial Board of Control (A.B.C.) in the short stories "With the Night Mail" and "Easy as A.B.C.", by Rudyard Kipling, with which Wells was certainly familiar. The Kipling stories are set in a post-apocalyptic world where airships are commonly used both for freight and passenger service, as well as for preventing civil unrest through use of powerful sonic weapons:
|“||The A.B.C., that semi-elected, semi-nominated body of a few score persons, controls the Planet. Transportation is Civilisation, our motto runs. Theoretically we do what we please, so long as we do not interfere with the traffic and all it implies. Practically, the A.B.C. confirms or annuls all international arrangements, and, to judge from its last report, finds our tolerant, humorous, lazy little Planet only too ready to shift the whole burden of public administration on its shoulders.||”|
Wells's book might have also been influenced by George Griffith's 1893 The Angel of the Revolution in which a band of revolutionaries known as 'The Brotherhood of Freedom' masters the technology of flight and eventually establishes a pax aeronautica over the earth.
The Film adaptations section now reads: "Information erased due to page sabotage. Section in need of re-writing." Previously: 'There have been two film adaptations of the novel. "Things to Come", a 1936 film with a screenplay by Wells himself. "H. G. Wells' The Shape of Things to Come", a 1979 science-fiction film not at all based on the book.' The article on the latter film supports the summary here. I have not seen the film, so have not edited, but it would seem to be nonsense to name it as an adaptation of the novel. --Mabzilla (talk) 20:13, 11 January 2013 (UTC)