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Good article The White Stripes has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Anything else? Would like to resubmit for GA status[edit]

I have quite heavily edited the prose and sequencing of this article to improve its flow and information clarity, as well as having added sources. I think it is ready to be resubmitted for Good Article status. But first, does anyone have suggestions for improvement? Let me know. Tim010987 (talk) 10:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, it's ready for resubmitting. You did a really good job. We might need the opinions of some other people, though. Hm... where is everyone? 24.137.109.7 (talk) 14:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

2 Star Tabernacle and Goober & The Peas[edit]

Hey all, Since Jack was in both, should I list them in the 'associated acts' even though they don't have Wikipedia pages, just to promote extra knowledge for readers? --Tim010987 (talk) 1:13 AM, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

No if they are not notable we don't list them. As for promoting extra knowledge, see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We are not an indiscriminate collection of information. The point of that section is to include links that could further the understanding of the reader on related subjects. indopug (talk) 08:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Improvements[edit]

I am currently in the long-term process of improving this article to good then featured status but I can't do it alone. The intro paragraph has already been taken care of, but the body-paragraphs could use "wikifying." If you can at all help, the major problems are that statements in the body paragraphs need sourcing and the prose is jumpy and does not flow well. Also, certain topics are omitted and others are covered too in depth. The sections on the first two album require definite expansion. If you are a buff, you will recognize where this error is present (I can't name specific places; it's just a general feel I get). So any help is appreciated. You might use The Smashing Pumpkins or Sex Pistols articles (which have FA status) as templates for success, I guess. Thanks! :) --Tim010987 (talk) 11:33 AM, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Meg's drums[edit]

There seems to be a lot of editing going on with the kind of drums and cymbals Meg uses. Does anyone know for sure what drums she uses or have a source? 24.137.109.7 (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The article won't list every sinlge name-brand she's ever used, but Ludwig and Paiste are notable frequents. Tim010987 (talk) 09:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Alright. I was just wondering, because I've noticed a few people scuffling around with editing there. Thanks. :) 24.137.109.7 (talk) 20:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Meg = best drummer ever. Her style is irreplacable. I would list it in the article, but it's kinda difficult to source and some might even think it's POV. Tim010987 (talk) 10:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree. Meg is so awesome and the White Stripes would never be the same without her. :P 24.137.109.7 (talk) 16:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I love the White Stripes, but I'm a drummer and I have to say Meg is a pretty crappy drummer. She fits in with the White Stripes though, because her use of cymbals and really simple beats just let Jack do his thing. In any other group, she would suck. Jack is a 10x better drummer than her- listen to "Hang You From the Heavens" by the Dead Weather. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.206.134 (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe they were shown several times on Toonami.[edit]

Why does it not show that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seru Mun (talkcontribs) 02:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:GA review at Talk:The White Stripes/GA1[edit]

Article currently being reviewed at: Talk:The White Stripes/GA1. Ling.Nut (talkWP:3IAR) 02:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Observation[edit]

I don't know the right edit for this, but the Digitech whammy pedal is mentioned twice, to no benefit. Rainbow-five (talk) 23:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Citation for possible collaboration with Thom Yorke[edit]

I tried and failed to cite this source correctly for the Thom Yorke collaboration. Sorry. Here's the site for whoever wants to cite it: http://angryape.com/news/2008/10/31/jack-white-and-thom-yorke-to-collaborate 71.180.220.103 (talk) 22:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I've been trying to find a more credible source for this piece of news as well. It only seems to be circulating on blogs and fansites thus far. There is a direct quote from Jack, so you would think it was part of an interview. I did find this article from the The Daily Mirror as well as this article from The Daily Mail which mention that Jack was seen with Thom at the afterparty of the Quantum of Solace priemier in London which was held October 29, 2008—only 2 days before this "collaboration story" seems to have hit the web. Maybe some one interviewed him there.
Anyway, I'm still keeping an eye out... Marchije (talk) 02:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

What would it take...[edit]

To get this article to FA. What would explicitly need to be done? --BlackMath77 (talk) 19:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Meg is Jack's sister, not his ex-wife[edit]

That whole story about Meg being Jack's ex-wife is pure B.S. and I'm surprised that whoever compiled the information used for this article was gullible enough to spread this kind of crap around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.101.218.3 (talk) 04:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Their pose of being brother and sister rather than a (latterly ex-)married couple was a not unprominent part of their earlier public image, so it's not surprising that some will find this confusing. Would it not be advisable to mention this shtick in the article? 87.81.230.195 (talk) 04:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

However, the sibling story is a key part of the band's history, and keeps coming up here in one form or another. Any good article on this act indeed needs to address the issue; I have rescued some prior, fully referenced, work on this topic and inserted it into the article. I'm open to discussions on where this should be placed in the article and how some aspects might be worded differently, but, as noted above, it needs to stay in one form or another. Jgm (talk) 16:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm in agreement w/ Jgm. The sibling story is an important part of the Stripes' mystique; in addition, mentioning that Jack and Meg used to make this claim in addition to mentioning that they were actually a married couple, would help prevent the editors who keep "fixing" the text about their marriage by replacing it with the claim that that they are brother and sister. Marchijespeak/peek 23:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
How can we be sure this certificate is not a fake ? The website "gloriousnoise" doesn't seem very reliable. I'm just saying... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.210.11.30 (talk) 22:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd simply ask what's more probable. Is it realistic to believe that there's some sort of conspiracy out there to make it look like they were married or is it more realistic to believe that Jack White said something that wasn't true and is inconsiquential? I trust the marriage certificate is real as forging state documents is a felony and they also provide information so that you can order a copy for yourself. I think this issue can be put to rest. OlYellerTalktome 14:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
You are not seriously suggesting that the article should contain what we think is more probable, are you? Thanks, hoped so, I must have misread that. --91.10.25.44 (talk) 17:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't have to. Multiple references are provided. I'm simply showing how improbable the contrary is, even if there were no references. You're not suggesting that there's some conspiracy theory to create fake marriage licenses are you? Didn't think so. Thanks. OlYellerTalktome 18:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
There is a conflict in the information presented here with what is on Wikipedia's page for Meg White

"In the early 1990s, Meg White worked as a bartender at Memphis Smoke, a bar in downtown Royal Oak (a Detroit suburb), where she first met musician/songwriter John Anthony "Jack" Gillis. They were married on September 21, 1996.[6] Gillis chose to take her last name.[7] They were divorced on March 24, 2000.[8]" That seems to make more sense and if you watch the documentary "It Might Get Loud" you will here Jack refer to his big sister and having his sister in his band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.69.27.74 (talk) 11:01, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

genres in infobox and lead[edit]

This has been getting out of hand; I've attempted to simplify a bit and fix some grammar and structure issues in the lead. First of all, while Allmusic may have coined a phrase here, to my view there is no clear meaning to "the punk blues style", and that phrase grates in the lead, so I've reduced it to its components. I left the term as a genre in the infobox, but since punk is a form of rock, there is no need to also list blues-rock. Similarly alternative rock is a meaningless term here - alternative to what? Also we had a few too many descriptors in the lead; I think between "lo-fi", DIY, "minimalistic" and "raw" we were being a bit redundant and I've tried to address this as well. There are other ways to do this and I'm glad to discus here, but we cannot keep adding everybody's favorite niche genre to the article. Jgm (talk) 02:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, if the color scheme/style factor is going to be mentioned in the lead, it really needs to be covered in expanded form (with refs) in the article body. Jgm (talk) 02:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Indie rock?[edit]

Are The White Stripes an indie rock band?. I know they've got a wide creative independence, but how can they be indie, if according to the sources, they've sold approximately 12 million records?. 190.28.212.196 (talk) 23:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

That, in a nutshell, is why terms like "indie" (and its cousin, "alternative") are problematic. Independent of what? Alternative to what? To the extent that they are useful, they have taken on meanings beyond the dictionary-approved ones. Jgm (talk) 21:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd say blues-rock describes them best, but that's just me. Zazaban (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
You're being too literal in the meanings of "alternative rock" and "indie rock". When the genres first started they were alternative (to mainstream rock) and independent (to the major labels), but as time has moved on, the style of music has remained and therefore so have the names. But they don't necessarily mean "alternative" and "independent" anymore, they're just the style of music. --JD554 (talk) 09:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
"Indie" isn't about record sales. In the strictest sense, it's any music, regardless of style, that's released on an independent label (i.e. not the few bigshot multinational conglomerates that release most of the music you hear on your local CHR station); though admittedly by now it's come to be associated with a particular range of guitar-pop music styles more than with the type of label that's releasing it. But indie never had anything to do with how many records an artist does or doesn't sell. Bearcat (talk) 23:17, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Stars & Stripes - The White Stripes Reimagined[edit]

Adrian Champion recently used music from The White Stripes to create a mash-up album. I think this should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.118.140 (talk) 22:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Reference help.[edit]

Hello, I was checking one of the references (#99), and it states that the article was published on December 20, 2004; however, when I followed the link, I found that it was released under the date 06.23.04 (June 23, 2004). Therefore, I would like someone to check if it was first released on 12/20/04 or that this is simply a mistake in the reference. The current reference is ""White Stripes' News". whitestripes.com. December 20, 2004. Retrieved August 30, 2008. " if this info is needed. BoP (talk) 11:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

External links[edit]

Per Wikipedia policy on offsite linking, interviews with and articles about the band in media may be cited as references for article content, where appropriate, but are not suitable for inclusion as direct external links. The external links section of the article is meant only for the one or two most centrally important band-specific sites, such as their official website and/or myspace pages.

- Bearcat (talk) 23:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Ex-Wife vs Sister Edit Notice[edit]

I've created an edit notice found here so that whenever an editor goes to edit this page, they'll see a message that basically says that Meg White is not Jack White's sister. Hopefully it will reduce some of the erroneous edits made here. OlYellerTalktome 08:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

That edit note makes a lot less sense now that "the references" are somewhat diminished. --91.10.25.44 (talk) 17:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Removing a reference doesn't make the fact any less true. Better bone up on WP:V. OlYellerTalktome 18:25, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Genre[edit]

I'd like to get some sort of a consensus on what genres should be listed. The only thing I'm opposed to is including genres that are essentially made up (like 'punk blues'). I'm fine with just 'rock' but would like to see another sub-genre or two if the audiophiles can come to a consensus. Until then, I'll be changing it to just 'rock'. OlYellerTalktome 20:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that just rock is best. An infobox should summarize an article and, given the number of genres that the band have been associated with, rock neatly summarizes their genres. The rest are discussed and expanded upon in the article. --JD554 (talk) 14:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Except that rock is just too broad. You can't talk about the White Stripes' genre without mentioning the blues --Doggalina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.234.62 (talk) 03:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree rock is too broad. But Alt-rock, garage punk? By no means do they sound like any of those genres. --Tt801 (talk) 15:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

The White Stripes Have Disbanded[edit]

(more info here)

Just letting who ever likes editing this page know...

"The White Stripes have officially broken up. According to an announcement on their website, "The reason is not due to artistic differences or lack of wanting to continue, nor any health issues as both Meg and Jack are feeling fine and in good health. It is for a myriad of reasons, but mostly to preserve what is beautiful and special about the band and have it stay that way."

The statement also mentions that Jack White's Third Man Records label will continue to release unheard studio and live recordings from the band through their Vault subscription club; it also expresses Meg and Jack's wishes that "this decision isn't met with sorrow by their fans but that it is seen both as a positive move done out of respect for the art and music that the band has created," including the following words from the duo themselves: "The White Stripes do not belong to Meg and Jack anymore. The White Stripes belong to you now and you can do with it whatever you want. The beauty of art and music is that it can last forever if people want it to. Thank you for sharing this experience. Your involvement will never be lost on us and we are truly grateful." "

125.239.15.99 (talk) 18:52, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

This all seems convenient given that their website is currently down. I feel that none of this should be admitted until their website comes back up and more websites than just Pitchfork can substantiate this claim. OlYellerTalktome 18:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
It's not just Pitchfork, the story is being carried broadly - for example: BBC, NME AP. --David Edgar (talk) 19:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Well the official website of Third Man Records also says so: http://thirdmanrecords.com/ 125.239.15.99 (talk) 19:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Well not good but you get my meaning. OlYellerTalktome 20:53, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I'd prefer to hear it from the horse's mouth as well, but we go where reliable sources go. As Jimbo said in a recent interview, "We got it wrong because the media got it wrong." --Andy Walsh (talk) 21:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Breakup 2007[edit]

Nothing happened between 2007 and 2011. --193.254.155.48 (talk) 12:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Reliable source stating so? Their web site was active, they posted content, etc. --Andy Walsh (talk) 13:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Nah, they released Under Great White Northern Lights in 2010. I'd stick to the official announcement date. Delusibeta (talk) 03:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Band name grammar[edit]

Yes, "The White Stripes" is plural in American English, and so should be rendered as "The White Stripes were", not "was". See also "The Smashing Pumpkins", "The Strokes", and so on. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I was going to put together a list of other articles contrary to your argument as well as an argument based on some textbook examples but I'm going to step down. This isn't meant to be condescending but I feel like I probably should spend the time elsewhere. I will say though that it's constantly being changed in this article and in my opinion, more people feel that it should be 'was' than 'were'. Whatever is discussed here, I doubt it will stay that way for long which is a problem that's probably more worthy of discussion. OlYellerTalktome 20:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
"The White Stripes" is singular, you showed it yourself by saying it "is" plural. It's no different than words like "politics". Exchanging "The White Stripes" with the word "duo", for example, you would never say that "This duo were a former ..." It's pretty straightforward. Spell4yr (talk) 17:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Wrong argument: By saying that "it is" plural, you are referring to the name, as in "the name is plural". Anyway, IIRC there is a style guide about just this topic. --91.10.25.44 (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Your argument is unclear. It seems like you're arguing that the band name is singular. Is that correct? OlYellerTalktome 18:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

The name of the band is in the plural form. "White Stripes" is plural, therefore we use the plural "were". AmericanLeMans (talk) 02:44, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Married vs. Siblings[edit]

It seems that the prime source is no longer available. So now there is one article from a well-know music industry medium (and I would bet good money that their source is the one that vanished) vs. everything the band ever said. I think the article has to be a lot more ambiguous about the issue. --91.10.25.44 (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Besides the fact that the story still exists, simply removing a reference doesn't make the fact any less true or the remaining reference less valuable. Not only is the information verified, you have no proof of the contrary. See WP:V. I guess we shouldn't be surprised by an WP:SPA. OlYellerTalktome 18:21, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
"Simply removing a reference"? That was the link to the actual marriage licence, instead of just a story about it.
Whatever, I'm not in the mood to fight some rabid IP-haters today, have fun destroying the article without me!! --91.10.25.44 (talk) 18:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
A story from a reliable source about it? Are you saying that a story about it isn't good enough to be a reference? You need a WP:Primary source?
I'm not hating on an IP but it seems obvious that you've come here with an axe to grind. As for destroying the article, I find that a hard claim to make as the article achieved GA status as it was before you started to edit today. OlYellerTalktome 18:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't feel that you and I are going to get anywhere on this so I've asked Wikiproject Rock for assistance. OlYellerTalktome 18:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Latest Work - ParaNorman[edit]

I don't have the exact information on this, but the 2012 Release Stop-Action movie, ParaNorman credits The White Stripes as performing the ending theme for the movie; "Little Ghost". I think that needs to be added. Darkeforce (talk) 06:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

It's actually an older song. A mention might be warranted but I think the mention would be better suited in an article about the album or the song, if and article for the song exists. OlYeller21Talktome 07:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Appearances in other media[edit]

I believe that things like soundtrack appearances should not be included unless there is justification made as to why they are important to the artist's history. This section reads like a trivia list and needs some trimming. Any thoughts? LazyBastardGuy 22:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Were/was in the opening sentence[edit]

Can we sort this issue out here please?--SabreBD (talk) 17:43, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

message to the person who said "meg was jack's sister, not jack's wife"[edit]

First of all, YOU are the gullible one for still believing a joke from around 13 years that they ALREADY SAID WAS FALSE, and second of all, get your facts straight — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.92.18.117 (talk) 23:17, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Sentence in the Aesthetics and presentation section[edit]

It says "As they sotry In 2001, proof of their 1996 marriage emerged". I've no idea what that means, and AWB has hit on the probable misspelling. Dawnseeker2000 17:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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