Talk:The World (South African newspaper)

Requested move

Welcome to the discussion about whether to move The Bantu World to The World, in order to reflect the name by which this black South African publication was known since the 1950s.

DocDee 21:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Currently The World is a redirect page to World. I think it should be made a redirect to World (disambiguation). At the moment there are already the following pages:

• The World (archipelago)
• The World (Brad Paisley song) (a redirect page)
• The World (cruise ship)
• The World (Descartes)
• The World (disambiguation) (redirects to World (disambiguation))
• The World (film)
• The World (.hack) (a fictional online role-playing game)
• The World (internet service provider)
• The World (newspaper) (the working title of a proposed British compact newspaper)
• The World (radio program)
• The World (Tarot card)
• The World (WWE) (a former restaurant in New York)

Using just "The World" as the new page title is not acceptable; a title of the form "The World (X)" is required. I would suggest "The World (The Bantu World)". --Lambiam^Talk 09:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Would " 'The World' Newspaper" work? DocDee 22:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

That would be a totally unconventional way of naming a Wikipedia article. I see several other acceptable solutions:

1. Use "The World (South African newspaper)". Compare for example The Witness (South African newspaper).
2. Use "The World (former newspaper)".
3. Move The World (newspaper) to "The World (proposed British newspaper)" (which I consider to be an uncontroversial move), adjust the single incoming link, have the resulting redirect page deleted, and then re-use the – now free – "The World (newspaper)".

I have no preference, but numbers 1 and 2 can be effected immediately while number 3 is more work. Basically, anything of the form "The World (X)" is fine if "X" is a reasonable disambiguating term, but unfortunately currently "newspaper" is taken by something that does not exist and may never exist under this name. --Lambiam^Talk 06:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose. But any of Lambiam's suggestions, especially the third, seem reasonable. — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• Opppose per Lambiam, "The World" is too generic for 'The Bantu World'`s current name. As pointed out The World (newspaper) is already taken. I suggest turning "The World (newspaper)" into a DAB page with The World (British newspaper) and The World (South African newspaper) as proper article names. 132.205.45.148 18:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose, but I agree with Lambiam and discussion below on moving to The World (South African newspaper). -- Solipsist 07:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Recap: So, moving the article to "The World" (South African newspaper) would be acceptable to all?
  • Not a problem for me. A bit long as a title. I think that the The World (newspaper) also should be renamed at the same time since there are two newspapers. As someone else mentioned, I like the idea of changing the redirect to the dab using the items listed above. There are also at least 2 US newspapers using this name. Vegaswikian 23:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
    • While putting together the dab page it loks like it might be better to dab the papers as {newspaper location} so that they fall together. So we would use The World (newspaper, South Africa) and The World (newspaper, United Kingdow). I'll add the former to the DAB page. If this is acceptable, just Move The World (newspaper) to The World (newspaper, United Kingdom) to finish the cleanup. Vegaswikian 00:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Fine with me, but I'm less happy with Vegaswikian's suggestion of using "(newspaper, LOCATION)". Presently, in all cases where a country name is added, it comes in front: Avanti! (Italian newspaper), Azi (Romanian newspaper), Bursa (Romanian newspaper), Capital (Romanian newspaper), Expresso (Portuguese newspaper), Il Tempo (Italian newspaper), Monitor (Polish newspaper), Respublika (Kazakh newspaper), Respublika (Lithuanian newspaper), The Echo (Irish Newspaper), The Nation (Irish newspaper), The Witness (South African newspaper), Today (Singapore newspaper), Today (UK newspaper), Trud (Russian newspaper), and Vårt Land (Norwegian newspaper).  --Lambiam^Talk 10:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
    • The disambiguation article World (disambiguation) mentions 4 newspapers named "The World": The World (newspaper), The World (newspaper, Coos Bay, Oregon), The World (newspaper, Barre, Vermont), The World (newspaper, South Africa). The World (newspaper) I think has to become a small diambiguation article listing the abovementioned newspapers named "The World". The current article on The World (newspaper) will have to be renamed to The World (UK newspaper) (or The World (British newspaper)?, which one is the standard?). I agree with Lambiam to use the standard The World (South African newspaper) instead of The World (newspaper, South Africa). But how to rename The World (newspaper, Coos Bay, Oregon) and The World (newspaper, Barre, Vermont)? The World (Oregon newspaper) and The World (Vermont newspaper) Or The World (Coos Bay newspaper) and The World (Barre newspaper) or should it rather refer to (United States newspaper) (but there are 2 so the year of foundation of the newspaper is added?)? I think The Telegraph (Macon) is not the standard or? Brz7 10:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

      The title The World (Coos Bay newspaper) provides little context; few readers will know where to place Coos Bay. If the paper has a wider significance (is it read in Curry County, Oregon?), then The World (Oregon newspaper) may be the more appropriate choice. Otherwise, go with The World (Coos Bay, Oregon newspaper). For an example of the use of this format, see Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, Illinois newspaper). --Lambiam^Talk 18:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• Looks like the 'The World (aCountry newspaper)' renaming is the way to go. -- Solipsist 07:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks to all who participated in the above discussion. Given the consensus, I will now move the article to 'The World (South African newspaper)'.