Talk:The Yellow and The Green

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Sources[edit]

Hunter, William C. Beacon Across the Prairie: North Dakota's Land-Grant College. Fargo: Institute for Regional Studies, 1961.

Clarence S. Putnam Manuscript Collection, NDSU Institute for Regional Studies, NDSU Libraries.

I have read through parts of them --NDState 05:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics[edit]

I am interested in knowing why the lyrics keep getting removed (for varying reasons). First it was removed due to "copyright" then it was removed due to "Still not encyclopedic"... not to mention the fact the whole article was marked for deletion.

Listing the lyrics here is no different then the lyrics listed on anthem pages, company jingles, or other schools.

Please discuss before you keep deleting things. --NDState 17:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We shouldn't have any quotations of the entire lyrics of any song in an encyclopedia. It's appropriate to link to a source of the lyrics, and to quote from them for the purposes of commentary, but Wikipedia is not a repository of lyrics. --Tony Sidaway 17:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So you advocate removing Star_Spangled_Banner#Lyrics, Inno_e_Marcia_Pontificale, Spirit_of_Aggieland or who knows how many others?
The Star Spangled Banner quote is eight lines out of thirty-two, and the article contains commentary explaining that the verse in question refers to the British bombardment of Fort McHenry using rockets--the song originated as a poem about that key event in the history of the then-young nation, a former colony of Britain.
I'd say it's reasonable. As would be a partial quote, with appropriate commentary, from this song.
The extensive quotations (full words?) from different versions of the Inno e Marcia Pontificale are quite inappropriate. The full quotation of the lyrics of Spirit of Aggieland is inappropriate.
I hope that makes my view clearer. --Tony Sidaway 18:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I may be mistaken, but I believe the entire Star-Spangled Banner lyrics are listed in one way or another. Anyone can add commentary, I could add much explaining the lyrics of The Yellow and The Green. Furthermore, if I remember reading correctly The Yellow and The Green started out as a "poem." The lyrics also portray a sense of the era and the beginnings of a State.
Its also interesting how I see no one disputing the lyrics on those other pages... not to mention all the other instances on Wikipedia. --NDState 18:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. There's a link to click to see the rest of the anthem. This is inappropriate without commentary. Whether the song began as a poem is irrelevant to quoting, but the fact should be included in commentary.
The explanation of this Wikipedia policy is in What Wikipedia is not, in a section best reached via the shortcut WP:NOT#LYRICS.
To wit:
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information
As explained in the policy introduction, merely being true does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. In addition to other sections of this policy, current consensus is that Wikipedia articles are not simply:
[...]
Lyrics databases. Most song lyrics are protected by copyright. Exceptions include traditional songs whose lyrics are in the public domain. However, even in this case the article may not consist solely of the lyrics, but has to primarily contain information about authorship, date of publication, social impact, etc. Source text generally belongs on WikiSource.
It would be quite in order to copy the lyrics of this song to Wikisource. --Tony Sidaway 18:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"However, even in this case the article may not consist solely of the lyrics, but has to primarily contain information about authorship, date of publication, social impact, etc." The articles doesn't consist solely of lyrics. Authorship, date of publication, and other historical material are included. --MatthewUND(talk) 21:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I still say to keep it, based on all of the above information. --NDState 17:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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