Talk:Themis

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This is the first non-useless "Roman equivalent" treatment I've seen. Good stuff. Bacchiad 06:35, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I hope you don't think I've ever inserted any "Roman equivalents". They're all misleading and should have appropriate caveats. Thanks. Wetman 07:26, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Opening sentence[edit]

I'm very confused by the first sentence of this article: "among the six brothers and six sisters of whom Cronos made one". "Made one" what? Was Cronos one of some group of twelve offspring, i.e., Themis's brother? But then why is Cronos, as only one of the twelve brothers, being mentioned at all? I think that rephrasing the first sentence to be clearer would help a lot, but I'm not sure of the factual information. -- Creidieki 06:23, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That was my gaffe, I think. I've fixed it like this: "In Greek mythology, Hesiod mentions Themis among the six brothers and six sisters— of whom Cronos was one— all of them the children of Gaia with Ouranos, that is, of Earth with Sky. " That's clearer, isn't it? --Wetman 08:25, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Whose confusion?[edit]

"Themis is sometimes identified with Physis (Nature personified)." I moved this here. Without saying who made the identification, it is meaningless and distracting. In Roman terms this would be a confusion between Justitia and Natura: most unlikely. It sounds like a student's confusion. --Wetman 22:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Themis and Drasteia[edit]

The article says:

"The name of Themis might be substituted for Adrasteia in telling of the birth of Zeus on Crete."

This is news to me. As far as I know Adrasteia is a completely seperate character from Greek myth, unrelated to Themis. Adrasteia was not even a Titan, she was a nymph on Mount Ida, Crete, who along with Ida was given the infant Zeus to raise. Themis became Zeus's consort, she was never his nurse. What evidence is there that Themis and Adrasteia can be substituted for each other? Unless a source is provided to support this statement it should be removed.

The Prime Source 14:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)Dale

Third generation of Horae[edit]

Why is the third generation of Horae not listed in the article?

ICE77 (talk) 07:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Justicia[edit]

I've taken this claim out. Every reference I've come across associates her with Dike, not Themis. Mangoe (talk) 17:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Symbols — Swords, Scales, and Blindfolds (modern additions)?[edit]

From https://lib.law.washington.edu/content/guides/themis, "Themis, Goddess of Justice"

A common representation of Justice is a blind-folded woman holding a set of scales. The origin of the Goddess of Justice goes back to antiquity. She was referred to as Ma'at by the ancient Egyptians and was often depicted carrying a sword with an ostrich feather in her hair (but no scales) to symbolize truth and justice. The term magistrate is derived from Ma'at because she assisted Osiris in the judgment of the dead by weighing their hearts. [1]

To the ancient Greeks she was known as Themis, originally the organizer of the "communal affairs of humans, particularly assemblies." [2] Her ability to foresee the future enabled her to become one of the oracles at Delphi, which in turn led to her establishment as the goddess of divine justice. Classical representations of Themis did not show her blindfolded (because of her talent for prophecy, she had no need to be blinded) nor was she holding a sword (because she represented common consent, not coercion). [3]

The Roman goddess of justice was called Justitia and was often portrayed as evenly balancing both scales and a sword and wearing a blindfold. She was sometimes portrayed holding the fasces (a bundle of rods around an ax symbolizing judicial authority) in one hand and a flame in the other (symbolizing truth). [4]

It would be nice if someone could access the primary source,

Cathleen Burnett, Justice: Myth and Symbol, 11 Legal Stud. F. 79 (1987) from http://www.heinonline.org/HOL/Page?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/lstf11&id=87

Matthew Miller (talk) 15:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)