Talk:Theodore Stratelates

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How many?[edit]

The article is confusing. Most of it suggests there was one St. Theodore with two different traditions. Then it is argued that there were two or maybe three. Which is it?Jim Lacey (talk) 17:41, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I think you are expecting too much certainty here. We are writing of events of nearly 1700 years ago with practically no contemporary written evidence to go on. I think the article made the present view of scholars in this field reasonably clear until an anonymous contributor very recently added a new paragraph (the para commencing "However, St Gregory of Nyssa....") which is certainly confusing and cites no authorities except St Gregory of Nyssa, who is mentioned as if he was alive today. (I think he was living in the 10th century and his views are part of the evidence which scholars discussing the matter have to consider. He cannot be treated as if he was a modern scholar himself!) It seems clear from internal evidence in the way the paragraph is worded that the anonymous editor is a devout member of the Eastern church, probably Greek and certainly not writing English as his main language. The paragraph is hard to follow but would make more sense if it came under a separate heading as stating the official view of the Eastern church, if that is indeed what it is. I am puzzled how best to deal with this, but I do not think it should remain as it stands. I will try and find a heading for the new paragraph which will enable it to be deleted if no modern references for these views can be given.

Waysider1925 (talk) 11:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I have now placed the paragraph in a separate subsection in the hope that some member of the Eastern Orthodox church can rewrite it to reliably express the current views of that church. The two places of pilgrimage were already mentioned in the article, but cannot be taken as proving anything, as Western commentators acknowledge that for many years there were believed to be two different saints but say that this belief was ill founded and cannot be supported.

Waysider1925 (talk) 12:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I was mistaken in suggesting that St Gregory of Nyssa was 10th century. He was 4th century, which makes the references to him even more confusing.Waysider1925 (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)