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Former good article nominee Thing-Fish was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
May 6, 2012 Good article nominee Not listed


Please help resolve the spelling of David Ocker's (Oker?) name. He is billed by both names on the ArtistDirect web site as playing the Synclavier. I assumed that was a typo and merged the entries. Anyone have this album? -- Dave C. 19:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm going with 'Ocker', based on the pathetic 69 hits from a google for "david oker", and this. Flowerparty 03:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that this page is in the 'albums of unknown importance' category. It is at times a challenging or even combative listen. If the album does not drive you insane, you will have a much stronger mind after listening to it a few times. Thing-Fish touches on Tuskegee, and the cover of the album looks suspiciously like the picture in this article: [1]. Larry Flynt contributed funds for production, and published several pages of photographs following the plot of the Thing-Fish album in his magazine. That's a landmark album! We could take this feature! Listen to the album a few times, surely thousands of pop culture references can be extracted from the script.

I think the cultural relevance section of this page is completely POV and is the authors attempt to rectify the content of the album with his own political views. It is a fact as stated in many interviews with Frank Zappa that he believed AIDS was a race specific bio-weapon engineered by the American government to target black people. In addition he saw both the homo-sexualisation of youth through the mass media, as well as the whole feminist movement as schemes by the government to reduce the population. I believe that whole section should be deleted and started from scratch as the interview with Frank show that he was very serious about the claims he makes in this album, despite the fact that they are set in a humorous tone. This is in fact an album about the eugenics movement which dominates American society to this day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FOWL (talkcontribs) 02:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC) In fact, that's your opinion regarding what the album is about. FZ did genuinely suspect AIDS was developed in a lab for purposes of eliminating or minimizing 'undesirable tenants in the condominium o' life' but there is probably no mention of 'the Eugenics movement' which has long been deprecated in the US.

Additional POV aspects of this article: 'increasingly fascistic and feminist' adult Rhonda. "Fascistic" is a meaningful term which FZ did not use for Rhonda, and it doesn't appear to be supported by the supposed citation. The point of the Briefcase Boogie scene is no mystery really, FZ felt that feminists who went into that to be equal to corporate businessmen was absurd. So her way of retaliating to Harry was, among other things, to fuck her briefcase. Also note 'Warner Brothers' files in it. I wouldn't read that much into this, albeit FZ stated more than once he was a '50's kinda guy' and more traditional which is HOWEVER belied by the fact of his treating woman in this band as equals.J Civil 23:19, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Obviously you are remembering the interviews incorrectly, since Frank, being a rock star, could not possibly ever have believed anything that was stupid. Richard K. Carson (talk) 03:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Obviously, you've never heard Hed PE's New World Orphans, or Megadeth's Endgame (named for the Alex Jones film). Rock stars do, in fact, believe stupid things. Not saying that Zappa did, but still. --WTF (talk) 03:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


The "plot" section should not be told "in universe" needs to be rewritten as if it is describing a work of fiction. PurpleChez (talk) 02:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not true that the Thing-Fish/Mammy Nun appearance was caused by the Galoot Cologne. There are 3 distinct substances: 1) chemical made by the prince 2) potatoes 3) cologne (and the mystery resease may be a 4th). The Mammy Nun appearance is caused by mixing 1 & 2. The 1/2 mixture was a test - the 1/3 mixture was used to kill off the fagnits. The Galoot brand of cologne is ostensibly popular on the disco scene. Redkrovvy (talk) 05:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


I thought FZ referred to this one as an opera. Am I misremembering? Varlaam (talk) 20:22, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

  • Yes. --WTF (talk) 03:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Thing-Fish/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 17:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll review this article. The very first thing is that the bare URLs need to be fixed and turned into citations. Do that while I look through the article over the next couple days. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed the main writer was a sockpuppet, so the review's not going to be responded to. Nonetheless, here's some comments:

  • As noted above, the bare URLs have to be fixed.
  • "Harry presented a homosexual boy, Rhonda" as a
  • The prose as a whole isn't too bad, but it does get quote-heavy at times.
  • The reception section doesn't note much why it wasn't liked originally.
  • The Google books sources need page numbers, and if they aren't free view then they shouldn't be linked.

The article's not too bad; if an independent non-sockpuppet goes through the article it could become a GA without too much effort. Until then, the article fails. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

John Cale rating[edit]

Don't know if this is even relevant, but may be useful for someone.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patacón (talkcontribs) 18:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)