Talk:Thomas Sowell

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Controversy from 1981[edit]

Steeletrap (talk · contribs) recently removed the following paragraph from the end of the Critical reception section:

Patricia Roberts Harris, who was an official in the Carter Administration, once said that Sowell and Walter E. Williams "don't know what poverty is." Sowell called her position "a pathetic sign of intellectual bankruptcy," saying that he "was almost 9 years old before [he] lived in a home with [hot] running water" and that she "was a campus social leader in an 'exclusive sorority'—meaning that it was for middle-class (light-skinned) women" while he worked full-time and went to the same college at night.<ref>Sowell, Thomas (2007). A Man of Letters. San Francisco: Encounter Books. pp. 175–176. ISBN 978-1-59403-196-0. </ref>

Thanks, Steeletrap. (BTW, BLP does not apply to Ms Harris, who died in 1985. Also, Sowell is by no means suggesting that she was passing for white.)

You can read pages 173-176 of A Man of Letters at Amazon.com. Sowell is reporting a controversy from 1981, in which liberals (my term) such as Harris and Carl Rowan tried to discredit Sowell and Williams, saying they "have either forgotten our roots or never had any". In response, Sowell wrote that "many members of the black elite" "who lecture, write and consult on the subject" "know little or nothing about the ghetto". Later, the WaPo published an entire broadsheet page "devoted exclusively to denunciations of [Sowell] by Patricia Roberts Harris, columnist Carl Rowan and assorted others".

I think this dispute, while no longer significant in itself, is a good example of the many attempts to discredit Sowell (eg., by MMfA) and probably should be mentioned in the article. I suspect the dispute about who really can represent folks from the ghetto is also worth covering. On the other hand, we currently only have one source for this, and it is a primary source. What do other editors think? Cheers, CWC 12:50, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

The controversy really needs to be noted somewhere for it to be included. Sowell highlighting it in his book isn't really enough, as one would doubt it would be included without reason to benefit him in some way. If we went with every little issue that someone raised about Sowell, there wouldn't be room for much else. Thargor Orlando (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
You're right. (To be specific: I no longer think this dispute "should be mentioned".) Cheers, CWC 09:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

social security[edit]

I recently applied for my social security benefits. I am 62 years old, joined the AF in 1971 and retired in 1993. I will receive my first check in January of 2015. I found out that a girl I grew up with in Illinois will receive not only her social security benefits but also 35% of her husbands. He will still receive his total benefits. She will be receiving about $100 less than me even though I worked from 1971 until 1993. How is that possible? She and her husband are receiving his benefits, her benefits plus an additional 35 percent of what his benefits are. Has Thomas Sowell ever done an article explaining how someone can work only a few years and only on holidays and receive her benefits and 35% of her husbands (her original benefits were something like $311 before the addition of her husbands benefits)? It almost seems ridiculous that I worked all of those years and she barely worked at all and is receiving almost as much as me. Everyone always talks about how the social security system might go broke. If the system works this way, paying familys more than they put in, I can see where the one of the flaws is. afretgirl–––– — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afretgirl (talkcontribs) 20:44, 2 January 2015 (UTC)