Talk:Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors

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San HuangWuDi[edit]

I just moved "Sanhuangwudi" to "The Three August Ones and the Five Emperors". Google shows beside us, only 1 webpage uses Sanhuangwudi; whereas the translated name is used, excluding us, well...4 hits, that is ...more often. I saw this translated name from the Cambridge History of Ancient China. ---Menchi 09:54, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It would appear to be Anglecized since San means Saint (holy), as the San Huang-Wu-Di. For those interested in Genesis, they should note that 2852bc is 100 years after the Chinese Flood of Creation by NuWa in the year 2953-2952bc. Another factor to note is that Huang Di is the Yellow Emperor (GongSun or XuanYuan), one of Three Sovereign to some, but not to others since he is one of the 5 emperors. Further, if Huang Di is the Yellow Emperor, then there is contradiction because Yellow Emperor ruled 112 years (2852-2737bc; =100 years after Flood 2953bc to 100 year before calendar 2637bc) and the 60 years of Huang Di (2697-2637bc). Though I would like to point out that anytime ancient history uses the number 52 (112 = 52+60 or 60+52), it could be, probably is, the practive of regarding 52 as the planet Mars via the name Marduk. So if 360-day calendar preceded Chinese 60-year, the 52+60 could be origin of the 112 years.98.144.71.174 (talk) 12:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

They are all koreans[edit]

It is wrote by famous chinese historian. -- WonYong (talk) 09:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Korean nationalists always please me with their funny jokes... lol -- G.S.K.Lee 07:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
All Koreans are Chinese. It is wrote by king Sejong in Chinese. -- WonYong (talk) 10:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Korean created the whole word.KJ (talk) 06:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC) as if, korea was just a tributary state of China —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.134.178 (talk) 05:43, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

What does "August One" mean?[edit]

Would someone please add a reference to the article about this transliteration "August One"? This transliteration appears puzzling to me, a native Chinese. --Pkchan 11:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It would seem to be a customary translation in English.[1] I don't speak Chinese very well myself, do you think some other translation would be preferable? —Veyklevar 13:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree that "August One" is not a good enough translation to 皇. 皇 as well as 帝 refers to a ruling state; modern studies indicates these eight people were most likely some reverend tribunal heads in ancient times, yet "August One" is not a clear enough translation to hint on this fact. Though I too have no idea on a better translation. -- G.S.K.Lee 07:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Well then i would like to know if it diifers from August which I regard to mean Reverend and Most honorable One, a Holy One. The use of the name San implies this.98.144.71.174 (talk) 12:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

length of Ruling[edit]

The article said "The Heavenly Sovereign (天皇), who ruled for 18,000 years The Earthly Sovereign (地皇), who ruled for 11,000 years The Human Sovereign (泰皇 or 人皇), who ruled for 45,600 years "

I can not find these in the Record of Grand Historian, where is this source? According to the Bamboo Annals, two ruled 100 years, others ruled 50-70 years. Dongwenliang 02:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The Bamboo Annals are not the Traditional layout. These figures here are traditional figures and i would like to know if 45,600 is a typo because another source online says 456,000 years for SuiRen. The importance of this is that it is the only Sumerian preFlood number not divisible by 360-day. The 97 sar is 97x 3600 day decades or 970x 360 days. The 67 sar of 8 kings is likewise 67x 3600 and 670x 360. This 456,000 (debate if you wish days or years) is 1266.6 years of 360 day but this article's 45,600 is only 126.6 years; the difference raising question to whether ten preFlood kings (456,000) are or were ever confused with Gilgamesh who ruled 126 years (45,600 days). An interesting connection is that as a Sovereign from heaven or the gods, it connects to the time before the Flood or of the Flood. However, as Gilgamesh it connects to being Human (a sovereign in fear of dying). 98.144.71.174 (talk) 12:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

It is not in the original Shiji, written by Sima Qian, but in a chapter on the three sovereigns added by Sima Zhen in his commentary on the Shiji, Shiji suoyinxu 史記索隱序). See here for the Chinese text of this chapter, here for a translation in English and here for a French translation. Guss2 (talk) 12:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

We need to distinguish history and myth. Those recorded in Records of the Grand Historian, Classic of History, etc. is of serious history. -Daohuo (talk) 05:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Adding Validity[edit]

I would be interested in assisting with a coordinated effort of verifying this information. Please let me know how I can be of assistance. Caddcreativity 03:00, 08 November 2007 (UTC)

Youchou[edit]

Youchou (有巢氏) has been mentioned in some sources before. It has been left off the article until someone can get a better academic source. Benjwong (talk) 01:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for putting effort in cleaning up this article. It makes it much better as it was before, Guss2 (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Youchao was added back but to a different section. Benjwong (talk) 21:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I would like to know info on YouChou, and Yao, and Yu, etc. Is YouChou any connection to Yao (or Yu) of the 100 years 2333-2233bc. From what I have been reading Yao gave his throne to Shun (without dying) who then ruled 50 years to 2183bc; and this puts the end of that rule as 22 years after the Xia Dynasty starts in 2205bc. Because Chinese Flood of Creation is 2953bc, I choose to see Yu (as Reu the son of Peleg); born in year 531, he dies at 239 in that same Year 770 as Yu does when Shun's rule ends. I also note that Yellow Emperor is named Gong-Shun. But not all sources say Yao and Yu are the same person. Some internet writers (one sounding like Hislop in his conclusions) says Yu is the brother of Yao. I don't beleive this one source because he also says Shulgi & Dungi are brothers, and Bur-Sin and Amar-Sin are brothers, both as sons of Shulgi. Of one thing I am certain, there are two Xia and two Yu, pre-Xia is in Sumer as 3 sovereign 5 kings, Xia is the city Ur, and then a trek to China creates a Xia there east of Tibet in 1437bc. Obviously the Yu of 1437bc cannot be the Yu of Ur in Sumer dated by Chinese as 2233bc. (My conclusion for this 1437bc is based on Chinese honoring of 1200-year calendar 2637-1437bc as the Hindu who also honor 1900-700bc /1902-702. But it seems to me that Ur's suicide dated by C-14 as 2030bc was peceded by an exodus flight before it, and after it, and that as typical the Chinese choose to believe their flight was 2037bc before it, while Monkey Year 2029bc was everyone else taking flight in horror and shock. Denial of Chinese involvment. Mayans say world was destroyed turning into escape as Monkey; but strong implications that Chinese and Maya left together. Both before? or both after? I choose after, and since they couldnt join Hindu who were not yet in India, it seems to me that Chinese-Mayans are the city of Mari Syria taken to Babylon from 1762-1625bc. This places dynasty Xia first in Ur, before it was located in China. ANOTHER QUESTION: How does sources say Xia is 439 years and then provide figures of only 429 years? The 429 reminds me of Abram's leaving Ur until Jewish Exodus of Egypt, and the 439 reminds me of the 1200 years of 1437bc ending at the division of Israel by a July 10 Tamuz that matches both 1770bc and 997bc. I find splitting divisions are as common as mergings; like claiming JFK and John Kennedy are two different people; but Theodore Franklin Roosevelt as one.)98.144.71.174 (talk) 13:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

禮記 as source for Five Emperors[edit]

Youchao isn't mentioned in 禮記, so Liji can't be used as a source for the Five Emperors. However the Youchao myth is mentioned in 韓非子 Hanfeizi, chapter 五蠹 (which is chapter 49), Guss2 (talk) 20:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC).

Semi-mythical`?[edit]

I just read this article and don't think it gives any hint what about these figures is "semi"-mythical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.173.132.118 (talk) 04:28, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Significance of the five emperors[edit]

http://books.google.com/books?id=wXkAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA604&dq=thousand+character+classic+manchu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RhCoUOSZGunm0gHZhYGgBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=thousand%20character%20classic%20manchu&f=false

Jerezembel (talk) 22:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Tai Sovereign (泰皇), Human Sovereign (人皇) - difference?[edit]

What's the difference between Tai Sovereign (泰皇) and Human Sovereign (人皇)? Tai is linked to human?? Thanx! --HilmarHansWerner (talk) 08:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)