Talk:Thubten Gyatso, 13th Dalai Lama

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External Link : The truth the mainland Chinese government doesn't want you to know[edit]

Does anybody else think the external link above would be helpful? I have posted it to this article, but it was removed by Hottentot. Please give an opinion. I personally, believe that the link is extremely relavent to the article.--FT in Leeds 02:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

  • I know of the boy, he is the Yeshe Norbu's choice. This is a news article and it might be more relavent as an article in itself.

What's the meaning of "game" in the article?[edit]

Does that mean Russia and Britain also want to control that land? As far as I know Tibet was part of China at that time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.114.254 (talkcontribs) 15:51, 28 December 2005

Yes, Britain and Russia also wanted to control Tibet. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 19:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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Puyi[edit]

The Chinese emperor, Puyi, tried to stress Tibet's subservient role,

Please rephrase. Our article (and I believe it to be correct, implies that Puyi was two in late 1908; the agency here is misplaced. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I question the veracity and neutrality of the whole section. It appears that the Chinese were trying to impress their borders to the British and not the Tibetans hence the whole section doesn't make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.193.192 (talk) 04:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Bias[edit]

Many of 13th Dalai Lama's programs were utter flops due to ultra conservative monks. Let's keep this from being a Tibetan propaganda page, oy? Not that I'm throwing weight behind the view that the lamas were PYOOOOOR EEEEEEEVIL, but let's keep this shit objective, aight?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.181.250.49 (talk)

Please learn how to spell and how to articulate ideas in a way that they can be taken seriously. Str1977 (talk) 09:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
He didn't actually spell anything wrong, other than intentionally. I think he was making a valid point with some degree of humour, in an attempt not to spark controversy- not that I'm throwing weight behind the view that his ideas were pyoor geenius... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.38.93 (talk) 04:10, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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Thubten Gyatso declared independence from China in the summer of 1912[edit]

That is questioned. What he said in the declaration? Could someone provide the Declaration? (Is it 告民众书??) In 1912, many pronvince of Qing were declare independence from Qing(NOT China), but 13th Dailai didn't. --刻意 21:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The Gaominzhongshu that you link to was issued before the 13th Dalai Lama returned to Tibet from India. The document which is sometimes called a Declaration of Independence was issued shortly after his return. That proclamation does not actually declare that Tibet would become an independent country, but that it had been independent all along. Here is the English translation.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 01:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
This is 《西藏全体僧俗大众今后取舍条例》 or simply 《水牛年文告》.--Keyi 16:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I doubt the things was not so simple, because the communist Party considered the 13th Dalai Lama as "愛國主義者"(patriotic). In 1920s, things changed after beijing goverment was replace by KMT. In 1930, 13th Dailai said “英人对吾确有诱惑之念,但吾知主权不可失” and “不亲英人,不背中央”.

Anyway, 13th Dalai Lama was a complicated figure in history. Now the article give a misleading message and NPOV.

Thanks to God, the british india was not Russia(and Tibet was not Out Momgol).--刻意 12:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean that the Communist Party considered the 13th Dalai Lama patriotic at the time, or that they described his patriotic later?
The article as it stands is certainly inaccurate, since the so-called declaration of independence did not occur in the summer of 1912.
Regarding “不亲英人”, the 13th Dalai Lama was not stupid and was certainly aware that the British were not his friends from the goodness of their hearts (he preferred an alliance with the Russian empire, but then it collapsed), although I'm not sure what that has to do with this.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 21:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
patriotic means as a whole, a history summary. I known he was a complicated figure and clever politician.
Recently, I am trying to know the beginning of Tibet independence movement. I find the chinese book talked a lot about "告民众书 was the so-called declaration", and in the summer of 1912 only mentioned an announcement in one single sentence. --Keyi 15:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
What I mean is, when did the CCP say it? Did CCP representatives in the 1910s, 20s, and 30s say that he was patriotic? Or did they decide after his death that he was patriotic in hindsight? To be honest, I'm not sure what he ever did that would be construed as patriotic to China.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 21:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Before 1945, CCP need not to care about what happened in Tibet. What CCP said is the need of political rather than ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.99.194.53 (talk) 02:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

NPOV tag[edit]

I've searched the entire section that was tagged, and haven't found anything to support the claim that it was supporting the POV of one group over another. I'm taking the tag off the article.Drew Smith 11:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! John Hill (talk) 11:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

What is the invasion of Qing?[edit]

How can you tell that Qing invaded a area that is belonged to itself? Suggest rewrite. Wwbread (talk) 13:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)