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Error in quotation of Kristof's figures[edit]

Nicholas Kristof (Reference [5]) is quoted twice in the text of the article. The first quotation is incorrect, giving figures of 2000 soldiers & policemen and 1000 to 3000 civilians killed. The second quotation is correct. The figures he gives in [5] are "about a dozen soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Misleading first paragraph[edit]

I'm going to avoid being WP:Bold here because sensitive subjects. The first paragraph has at some point been edited into reading: "tanks killed at least several hundred student demonstrators trying to block the military's advance towards Tiananmen Square.". Well, according to the 'death toll' section further down, the number of *students* killed was likely below a hundred, and it was mainly normal citizens who had died. -- (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 13 March 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Primefac (talk) 13:05, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Tiananmen Square protests of 1989Tiananmen Square Massacre – This is obscene. Look at popular usage, look at media consensus outside the Chinese dictatorship, look at common human decency. What next, an Armenian Relocation article? (talk) 22:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

  • I'm not taking a stance here, but I believe that the naming is so because the article is mostly about the democracy protests and background rather than the massacre itself. Laurdecl talk 08:24, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
neutralthe reason is hard to convince the reader.Can not see your main demands.If you can,please make a detailed description.--Tr56tr (talk) 16:12, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose While the massacre grabbed headlines, this article is about the protests itself (of which the massacre was a part). I think the current title is NPOV and I certainly don't see any problem with it. In fact, changing the title could imply a change in scope of the article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Lemongirl1942 is correct.--Tr56tr (talk) 18:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The page is about the larger picture, not just one particular aspect. --Elnon (talk) 08:48, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Per Elnon; Not just about the massacre. UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: It seems very strange that we do not have an article or even a section of an article explicitly on the topic of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, considering that we have two articles on the incident of which it is part, this one and People's Liberation Army at Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, and considering that the phrase Tiananmen Square Massacre is so commonly used. Andrewa (talk) 06:06, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Opose per -Elnon --Temp87 (talk) 20:54, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Confusing narrative[edit]

In the sections explaining the backgrounds of the protests, it seems like the majority of the newfound problems and hardships were created by the reform, and yet the protest against these problems were somehow in favour of the reform? Is there something they left out here? Because that seems contradictory.

What were the protests about?[edit]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but my memory of the protests differs somewhat from this article. I thought the students were protesting against capitalism and the evils that came with it such as financial corruption (which presumably they thought did not exist under communism). It was anti-Deng, anti-capitalism, and they wanted the return of true communism (not democracy) that guaranteed a job for life, and the benefits that came with it such as state provided housing. (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2017 (UTC)