Talk:Tim Collins (British Army officer)

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There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly. Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the others I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what they choose. But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.
Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will see things that no man could pay to see and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing. Don't treat them as refugees for they are in their own country. Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.
If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day. Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.
It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive but there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign. We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow.
The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity.
It is a big step to take another human life. It is not to be done lightly. I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts, I can assure you they live with the mark of Cain upon them. If someone surrenders to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure that one day they go home to their family.
The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.
If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.
[Regarding the use by Saddam of chemical or biological weapons] It is not a question of if, it's a question of when. We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.
As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.
Our business now is north."
The speech was given in Kuwait, rather than Iraq, as the page states. It was the eve of the battle after all, they hadn't invaded yet.

Why is only an excerpt of the speech here (the one from the film) and not the whole speech as recorded by the journalist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.7.255 (talk) 12:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Copyright I would imagine. Even what we've got may be overdoing it a bit. The copyright will belong either to Collins himself, or since he gave to the troops as CO it might fall under Crown Copyright. David Underdown (talk) 12:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Recorded?[edit]

"No recording or film of the speech exists, Collins told the BBC"

I do not believe this is correct. I saw a broadcast (either Channel 4 or BBC World) a few days after it was delivered that definitely featured Collins delivering the full speech - it was electrifying, and vastly better than what Branaugh manages.

Collins statement may be true if he means "no longer exists", and that is possible as it was controversial at the time and he may have used the courts to suppress it. But video did exist at one time.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.255.127.189 (talkcontribs) 09:22, 7 March 2011

SAS[edit]

Why no mention of his SAS service? Jprw (talk) 10:26, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

I came across this source. Not enough to work into the article, but confirmation that the information is in the public domain. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6163453/Army-anger-as-soldier-killed-saving-journalist-who-ignored-Taliban-warning.html Rayman60 (talk) 01:33, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

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