Talk:Timeline of women's suffrage

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--Belgium-- Vote in 1919 only for limited categories of women (widows of soldiers etc), vote on local level granted in 1920. I'll adapt the article in that way. 09:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElseF (talkcontribs)

--Kazakhstan--

I think the kazakhstan suffrage date is misleading-the date given is 1993, but this ignores the fact that until 1991 Kazakhstan was part of the USSR which did (on paper) grant women suffrage (certainly men could not be said to have the vote more than women). Can somebody check this? I suspect the date might be the date a Kazakhstan constitution was adopted or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.239.249 (talk) 23:47, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

--Australia-- Australia didn't grant universal suffrage until 1962 with the end of legislative discrimination against Aboriginal peoples, which gave native women the vote. I've edited the page.

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Hello authors of this page - thanks

One suggestion ( I know I should do it) could you put in the dates of universal suffrage or any suffrage. This might give a better indication of what was happening. Chad

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I've seen four separate dates for Bermuda's suffrage. 1968 was the year of universal suffrage. The date for property-holding whites only, however, has been given as '38, '40 and '44. The '40 date seemed a little suspect, but I've seen both the '38 and '44 dates in the same documents. '44 featured a parliamentary vote granting white women the right to vote, so '38 may have been "property-holding white women" only. ~Nitjanirasu

I added a little bit to Pakistan's date of suffrage, to clarify that it was in 1947 because that's when the country came into existence. I think it would probably be best to add similar notes for all countries as they come into being, as otherwise women's suffrage is an even more depressing tale than it actually is. --Tav

Italy[edit]

The first time italian women were able to vote was in 1946 (June 2, at the Republic VS Monarchy referendum), not in 1945, as stated previously. I'm italian and hope not to be wrong: I corrected the entry. -- Progettualita (not logged in)

Spain[edit]

The entry for Spain (year 1931) read previously like follows: "Spain (of practical effect until the Spanish Civil War)." I have removed the comment between parentheses because:

  • It is not true. After the Spanish Civil War of 1936, Franco's dictatorship started. Evidently, elections were suppressed but, as happens with other dictatorships, an appearance of popular legitimacy was preserved. Several referendums were held and the so called tercio familiar was elected by married people (take a look at [1]). In both cases, men and women could vote.
  • Other countries have also suffered dictatorships and nothing is said in the article. For example, Germany, Cuba. The countries invaded by the Nazis during WWII lost their right to vote, but nothing is said. I believe that the aim of the article is not to inform when women have had the opportunity of voting, but when they received that right. It is evident that women cannot vote if nobody has the right to vote.

Zapatancas 17:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Afghanistan[edit]

Is there a reason Afghanistan is listed under 1963 and 1965? If so it should be specified, if not...fixed?

I deleted the entry under 1963 and left 1965 based on [2] and cited that page.

IRAQ[edit]

how come Iraq is mentioned both in 1948 and 1980? --84.228.239.165 02:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I would think that the 1980s is wrong, there were no election or anything (no voiting rights for neither women or men) after 1958.--Maha Odeh 05:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


Nepal[edit]

Nepal is listed twice. Also it was not even a semblance of democracy until 1990. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.86.153 (talk) 03:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Ireland[edit]

According to what I can find, it appears women were given the vote on a franchise equal to that of men in 1922 and not 1928 as this article suggests, does anyone have any evidence that contradicts this or should I just go ahead and change the year?

"In 1922, under the provisions of the Irish Free State Constitution, all Irish citizens over the age of twenty-one were enfranchised."http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/Suffragette

"1922: Suffrage for all adults over 21 introduced under the Free State Constitution." http://www.fczb.de/projekte/wid_db/CoRe/Ireland.htm

Flag usage[edit]

I don't think that all these entries should show the flag, because what is shown is the current national (or sometimes subnational) flag, which is not representative of the original historical entry introducing women's suffrage. Some examples: Canada, Zimbabwe (in 1957 there was no Zimbabwe), New Jersey, Lesotho, Iran, Rwanda, Egypt, Comoros, Ethiopia, Belize, Grenada, Barbados, Niger, Surinam, China, Cameroon, Kenya ...

Another point: I seriously doubt, that Moldova introduced women's suffrage only in 1978, as it was an integral republic of the USSR then. I also have my doubt with some of the other Soviet Republics (Turkmenistan, Tajikistan ...)--82.135.28.22 14:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The solution might be to insert the flag used at the time? Punkmorten 13:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

This looks like a great article, but we should really have sources for this kind of thing. I'm going to add an unreferenced tag to the page.wes 15:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Belarus[edit]

The flag of Belarus that is present here cannot be right. It is the flag of present-day Belarus, since 1995.

In 1919, Belarus was not a stable country. There were different formations in its territory - Belarusian National Republic, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, Litbel, etc.

If the suffrage was granted in the laws of the Belarusian National Republic, then the template should be {{flag|Belarus|1991}} (BNR used the same flag as Belarus in 1991-1995).

If the suffrage was granted in the laws of Byelorussian SSR, then it is hard to say what should the template be, because the BSSR didn't yet have a stable flag in 1919. {{flag|Belarus|SSR}} should not be used, because that flag was designed in the 1950's. See Flag of Belarus for more details. --Amir E. Aharoni 10:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Good point, so which of the 2 flags in 1919 is best for it? I guess it'll have to be seen actually when in that year it was done. I'll try looking more into it & then go from there, unless someone else knows for sure.That-Vela-Fella 00:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
That's the problem: i don't know which of the republics declared this - the Soviet or the National. I asked on Talk:Belarus. In the meantime i put the National Republic's flag, because there just is no icon for the 1919 Soviet republic ... --Amir E. Aharoni 05:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's hard to find the exact date & government in 1919 that allowed woman suffrage to begin with. But if it is the correct year, it'll have to be one of the 2 red flags (Soviet) at that time used (as shown here List of flags of Belarus). Highly doubtful though it'll be the National flag since it preceded that year when they were in power. That-Vela-Fella 10:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
According to Belarusian National Republic, it existed in 1918-1919, so it is possible. --Amir E. Aharoni 14:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Highly doubtful they enacted it at the start of the year when the Soviet government was established the day after New Year's (Lithuanian-Belorussian Soviet Socialist Republic) & the Soviets are seen as ones who believed on equality for the masses. Only possible way maybe for the Nationals to enact it was during the exile, but not likely. That-Vela-Fella 02:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I found who added it: diff for the adding of Belarus.
It wasn't sourced and the user doesn't seem to be contributing anymore. :(
We can both speculate forever, but until someone can find a proper source for it, i say that it is best to just remove Belarus altogether, 'cuz without a source it is meaningless. --Amir E. Aharoni 07:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I am still looking at Belarusian history now, but I have not found much about the female suffrage yet. It has been affirmed in 1994 with the passage of the State Constitution, but I don't know when it began. Regardless, I highly suggest to use the w/r/w tricolor as the flag if the date is 1919. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
As much as i like it myself, we cannot use the w/r/w flag just because it's nice. We need to know which of governments passed this law, if at all. Were there any elections whatsoever in Belarus in 1919? --Amir E. Aharoni 05:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I honestly don't know; from what I was told, a lot of their history has been lost due to the Soviets and due to the War. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

From digging around, the only other suggestion that says when this occurred for Belarus is around the era when they were in the Russian Empire. However, there is no sources for it. I do wish to give a suggestion; can we use the confirmation date of 1994 for Belarus? Even if we do that, the flag does not change at all. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Not clear[edit]

In some of these lists, the year mentioned has given first time voting rights to men as well as women; since in some countries there was no voting at all and when it was allowed it was allowed equally. An explanation should be added.--Maha Odeh 06:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Made it more clear in the 1st paragraph that some nations had done it at the same time. That-Vela-Fella 08:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

When Canadian women got the vote[edit]

Certain canadian women got the federal vote in 1917. The Wartime Elections Act of 1917 gave the right to vote to army nurses and the female relations of soldiers - mothers, daughters, wives and sisters. (Concomitant to that, the right to vote was removed from enemy aliens, recent citizens emigrated from enemy countries.) This right to vote was granted in advance of an election in which conscription was the key issue. It was thought that these women would vote for the governing party - which supported conscription - in hopes of 'bringing their boys home'. The conscriptionists won and the policy came into being.

-reference: "Women at War", Canada: The Twentieth Century (1995) Fitzhenry & Whitside Limited: Markham, Ontario

In 1918, as correctly stated, another law was passed giving all Canadian women the federal vote.

142.22.48.13 02:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Sweden[edit]

The passage on Sweden is incorrect. Universal proportional suffrage was introduced in 1909 for men. The first election held in which universal suffrage for women was in 1921. --Soman 14:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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Samoa[edit]

The article says that women obtained the right to vote in Samoa in 1990. I'm not entirely certain that's correct. What happened in 1990 was that universal suffrage was established. Prior to that, only matai (heads of family) could vote. While a matai is usually a man, a woman may be matai (cf. F.J.H. Grattan, An Introduction to Samoan Custom, p.13). If all matai had the right to vote, that would mean that some women (a minority) were able to vote long before 1990. No source is provided in the article, so that would need checking. Aridd (talk) 20:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


New Zealand[edit]

I'm not quite sure where to put this so I'm adding it here. I'm sure it will make me very unpopular in New Zealand but - oh well.

"New Zealand in 1893 is considered the first major nation to give all women the right to vote." It may be considered that by some people but it wasn't. It wasn't a nation but a self-governing colony. Its parliament couldn't make foreign policy, or start or end a war, or exercise more than a limited control of its economy. In the above statement "nation" is doing duty for "sovereign state". New Zealand wasn't that until maybe 1931 when Britain passed the Statute of Westminster, or 1947 when New Zealand finally adopted it. Moreover, in 1893, with fewer than 1 million people, New Zealand wasn't a "major" anything. It was a small self-governing British colony. Also - I'm relying on my memory here - in 1893, the act enfranchising women only gave the vote to women 30 and over. Finally, in the early 1790s the French Revolutionary republic, at Olympe de Gouges's urging, extended the vote to all adult women. That was a vote for a sovereign assembly, not a colonial one; it applied to all women and France was a world power. OK it didn't last long enough to ever be used but let's get things in perspective. Women got the vote in New Zealand just as they had earlier been enfranchised for municipal elections in the UK. The following year South Australia extended the same right to its women. But women in New Zealand and Australia - and men - didn't have rights to vote for sovereign assemblies until their countries achieved full political independence from Britain, in both cases probably sometime after 1919 when Britain extended the vote to some women for its sovereign assembly.

I know many New Zealanders find this information unsettling because a generation has now grown up believing New Zealand was the first country in the world to give the vote to women. I've posted some further information on this matter elsewhere in a discussion on another part of this article. Peter Entwisle (talk) 10:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Your statement about France is plain wrong. Olympe de Gouges did not manage to urge anybody to do anything - she was guillotined. “Sous la Révolution, à la suite du discours de l'abbé Sieyès (il quitte la prêtrise 6 ans après) du 20-21 juillet 1789, distinguant entre citoyens « actifs » et « passifs », les femmes furent classées, comme les enfants, les étrangers et tous ceux ne pouvant s'acquitter d'un cens électoral, dans cette seconde catégorie. Malgré l'appel de Condorcet, elles furent ainsi officiellement exclues du droit de vote par l'Assemblée nationale le 22 décembre 1789, exclusion maintenue par la Constitution de 1791 puis par un vote de la Convention nationale le 24 juillet 1793, quelques mois avant l'exécution d'Olympe de Gouges, auteur de la Déclaration des droits de la femme et de la citoyenne en 1791.” (French wikipedia https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_de_vote_des_femmes#De_l.27Ancien_r.C3.A9gime_.C3.A0_la_R.C3.A9volution). PhilomenaO'M (talk) 10:47, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Sweden in the 18th century[edit]

I've just inserted the fact that women were allowed to vote during the age of liberty, until 1771. This was just women who were members of the guilds, however, and usually, they sent a male to represent them. In another source than that I have referenced here ("Nyttan och nöjet" about the age of liberty by Herman Lindqvist), also mention this and claims that they were even female politicians in local parliaments, and mentions a "Mrs Strang" in the city of Köping, but I'm not sure I understood it correctly - it was very briefly mentioned - so I didn't include that. I don't know if that info belongs here? If someone know anything, perhaps that person could insert that! Best wishes! --85.226.235.171 (talk) 13:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth[edit]

I know that in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth women had the right to be elected King, but could they be elected to office (in theory), such as Chancellor or Hetman, could they vote in the Sejmiks (local Parliaments) or in the General Sejm (Parliament), did they partake in the election of Kings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omulurimaru (talkcontribs) 00:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Germany not mentioned at all[edit]

Why the complete silence on Germany? Norvo (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Write about women's sufferage in Germany after the fall of the Third Reich. Compare both Germany states. Was there a debate? Remember Hitler wouldn't have got elected without the male only electorate to give his party the requisite representation to seize power. Women didn't go to war and probably were less sympathetic to those coming out of the first world war to vote for the Nazis. Kylecrabtree (talk) 22:06, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move talk page after article. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


Talk:Timeline of women's suffrage worldwideTalk:Timeline of women's suffrage – Just requesting that this talk page be moved. Not sure why it wasn't moved when the article was. Article is currently located at Timeline of women's suffrage. gobonobo + c 19:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC) }}

Poland 1795[edit]

The article say: "Poland prior to the Partition of Poland in 1795, tax-paying females were allowed to take part in political life". What does this mean? It does not say that they were allowed to vote, and it should be specific, because of course, women everywhere "participated in political life" in one way or another. Should not this sentence be specified and referenced or removed?--Aciram (talk) 21:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I will remove this phrase now - I rephrased it earlier, assuming that it must be about voting rights, but as I was not the original author of the phrase, I do not feel entitled to change it. --Aciram (talk) 14:43, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Graph / timeline[edit]

Would be good to show a graph of the progress over the years, either a timeline of countries that have adopted it or a graph of the population of those countries as the percentage of women who can vote increases over time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.59.22 (talk) 15:19, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

India[edit]

Why is India listed twice? Is this in reference to its constitution coming into force? The lack of context makes the double listing unintelligible to most readers. Panoramalama (talk) 04:32, 28 September 2017 (UTC)