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Public domain patent information[edit]

Some text taken from public domain USPTO source at http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/speeches/01-46.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Anome (talkcontribs) 12:41, 15 January 2004‎

History[edit]

Copeman invented the electric stove before the toaster; I fixed that and included a reference to the information. I don't know that he invented the first flexible ice cube tray, thus I think using the phrase "invented THE flexible ice cube tray" would be better as "invented a flexible ice cube tray".Benthatsme 22:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

UHH[edit]

any idea why we even MADE an article on toasters? just asking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmartyPantsKid (talkcontribs) 22:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

This article has been vandalized, but I don't know what the original text was to fix it. Someone please revert. AeoniosHaplo 10:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC) OMGGGGGGGGGGGG! UGLY PEOPLE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.70.180 (talk) 23:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

more recent additions ?[edit]

More recent additions to toaster technology include the ability to toast frozen bread, automatic toast lowering with no lever to push, a mode to toast the cut side of a bagel only, separate operation levers to allow users to toast either two or four slices, and reheating functions which allow toast to be warmed without being burned.

this sounds like a refererence to the sunbeam toastamatic ..it does all this but it also automatically lowered bread when first released in the 1960s...todays unit is a reproduction of their origional 1960's unit. not a recent addition!


13 Minutes?[edit]

A typical modern 2-slice toaster uses about 900w power and makes toast in 13 minutes.

Does anyone else find the idea that toast takes 13 minutes to make a bit strange?

MSTCrow 22:51, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

No. toast is my life, I would never, and I repeat, NEVER, find it strange. -User: All toasters toast toast

Insignifiant consumption ?[edit]

Well,
I assume a 1000W toaster - 2min - each morning as sugested this gives 33 W.h for only one use. Maybe used twice or more each morning, so, well, let's say 100 W.h each morning

Let's say... well, 20 million people each morning for the example (will be more for real). This gives 2 billion W.h

or a mean-power of 1000 MW while 2 hours (if this country take the breakfast during this range) every day

Well, this insignifiant energy need about 2 hours of a full-powered small nuclear station's power each morning ! And maybe more because there are much more toasters in the world. Only for having the bread toasted: well, I suggest to delete the insignificant word.

A sweet candy's packaging is nothing. Collected it needs a city dump.

Toasters in fiction[edit]

Why was this section removed?

I'm restoring this section to is prior state; it seems that the section may have been removed by a typo, witness the odd placement of "==See Also==", this section running into the previous like the edit was done carelessly or accidentally. oneismany 12:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

energy calculation[edit]

I don't think the energy calculation is right. Toasters probably don't heat the bread to 100 C. On the other hand, reducing the water content from 35% to 10% means vaporizing 25% (8g reduction, if the starting point is 32g). The energy needed is the heat of vaporization of 8g of water, 2260 J/g or about 18 kJ. The bread does get heated as well, but I don't know to what typical temperature.

Probably to substantially higher than 100 degrees. The browning effect is caused by a Maillard reaction, which typically occur at around 120-130 degrees. But obviously that's only the surface of the bread reaching that temperature. JulesH 20:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Electric shock?[edit]

If toast is stuck in a toaster [...] it is highly recommended that one does not attempt to free it by inserting metal objects such as knives, due to the risk of electric shock. The toasters I know use calrods and shouldn't give me an electric shock when putting an conductor on this heating element. I can't say for sure, but I guess all toasters nowadays make it impossible to be confronted to such risk. --Abdull 22:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

"Toaster-ovens" use calrods, but most ordinary toasters still use open nichrome heaters. Because they occupy a lot of surface area, these open-wire heaters are noticeably better at making toast, but they'll definitely give you a shock if you make electrical contact with them.
Atlant 23:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The Breakfast Food Cooker[edit]

This toaster-related joke is always popular in the software engineering community.

Atlant 14:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


Once upon a time, in a kingdom not far from here, a king summoned two of his advisors to test them. He showed them both a shiny metal box, with two slots in the top, a control knob, and a lever. He asked his advisors, "What do you think this is?"

One advisor, who happened to be an engineer, answered first. "It is a toaster," he said.

The king asked, "How would you design an embedded computer for it?"

The engineer replied,

I would use a 4-bit microcontroller to do the job. I would write a simple program that reads the darkness knob and quantizes its position to one of sixteen shades of darkness ranging from snow white to coal black. The program would then use that darkness level as the index into a sixteen-element lookup table of initial timer values. Then it would turn on the heating elements and start the timer with the initial value selected from the table. At the end of the time delay, it would turn off the heat and pop the toast.
Come back next week and I'll show you a working prototype.

The second advisor, a computer scientist, immediately recognized the danger of such short-sighted thinking. He said,

Toasters don't just turn bread into toast, they are also used to warm frozen waffles and pop-tarts. What you see before you is really a Breakfast Food Cooker. As the subjects of your kingdom become more sophisticated, they will demand more capability. They will need a Breakfast Food Cooker that can also cook sausage, fry bacon, and make scrambled eggs. A toaster that only makes toast will soon be obsolete. If we don't look to the future, we will have to completely redesign it in just a few years.
With this in mind, we can formulate a more intelligent solution to the problem. First, create a class of Breakfast Foods. Specialize this class into subclasses called Grain Breakfast Foods, Pork Breakfast Foods, and Poultry Breakfast Foods. Each of these classes should inherit properties from the Breakfast Foods class. The specialization process should be repeated with Grain Breakfast Foods divided into Toast, Muffins, Pancakes, and Waffles; Pork Breakfast Foods divided into Sausage, Links, and Bacon; Poultry Breakfast Foods divided into Scrambled Eggs, Hard-Boiled Eggs, Poached Eggs, Fried Eggs, and various Omelet classes.
The Ham and Cheese Omelet class is worth special attention because it must inherit characteristics from Pork Breakfast Foods and Dairy Foods, as well as Poultry Breakfast Foods. Thus we see that the problem cannot be properly solved without multiple inheritance.
At run time the program must create objects of the proper type and send a message to the object that says, 'Cook yourself.' The semantics of this message depends, of course, on the kind of object, so it has a different meaning to a piece of toast than it does to scrambled eggs.
Reviewing the process so far, we see that the Analysis Phase has revealed that the primary requirement is to cook any kind of Breakfast Food. In the Design Phase, we have discovered some derived requirements. Specifically, we need an object-oriented language with multiple inheritance. Of course the user doesn't want the eggs to get cold while the bacon is frying, so concurrent processing is required, too.
We must also not forget the user interface. The lever that lowers the food lacks versatility, and the darkness knob is confusing. Users won't buy the product unless it has a user-friendly, graphical interface. When the Breakfast Food Cooker is plugged in, the user should see a cowboy boot on the screen. The user clicks on it, and the message 'Booting Windows Vista' appears on the screen. (Windows Vista should be out by the time the product gets to the market.) The user can pull down a menu and click on the foods he wants to cook.
Having made the wise decision of specifying the software first in the Design Phase, now all that remains is to pick an adequate hardware platform for the Implementation Phase. An Intel Itanium with 512 Megabytes of memory, a 64 Gigabyte hard disk, and an LCD monitor should be sufficient. Select a multi-tasking, object-oriented language that supports multiple inheritance and has a built in GUI, and writing the program will be a snap. (Imagine the difficulty we would have had if we had foolishly allowed a hardware-first design strategy to lock us into a 4-bit microcontroller!)

The king wisely had the computer scientist thrown in the moat.


This is not the software engineering community. Lupine Proletariat 12:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Toasters in computing[edit]

"Toasters are very common sample peripherals for device drivers" - is this nonsense that has avoided deletion? It's confusing. If it's not a hoax, it needs more explanation, or a citation or something. How does the toaster connect to the computer? Can we have a picture of this? Lupine Proletariat 12:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not a literal thing; toasters are occasionally used as (fictitious) example hardware devices in sample code or tutorials for writing device drivers. Added a link to the Toaster sample in the Windows Driver Development Kit and some clearer text. -- Dsandler 06:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Electrical use[edit]

Shouldn't there be something about how even in modern kitchens a toaster is a common culprit for tripping the circuit breaker?

Watt Seconds[edit]

I removed the line in the second paragraph about watt-seconds. Please don't randomly use Google Calculator to look smart. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.131.4.91 (talkcontribs).

picture[edit]

I think that the pic where you can see the photographer taking the photo in the nude reflected on the toaster should be in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Notsharon (talkcontribs) 04:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

why? just why? Patchiman (talk) 01:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

"Doneness"?[edit]

Why was this word used? is it even a word? Can someone change it? Eonut 00:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC) Eonut

Toaster oven photo needed[edit]

Toaster oven redirects here, but there's no photo of a toaster oven. We need one. Badagnani (talk) 21:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Badagnani (talk) 21:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I think that Toaster oven should be it's own article. While one can be used simply to make toast, it's so much more versatile... Madlobster (talk) 05:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
indeed, a toaster oven is really a small electric oven. you can toast bread in a full sized oven if you were so inclined. i came here because i was curious about the history of toaster ovens, and this article is just about toasters! BBnet3000 (talk) 00:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Cost to toast 2 slices of bread[edit]

What would be an estimated cost to toast two slices of bread? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.23.22 (talk) 01:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

yeah i think toaster oven should have it's own article ...it's completely different than a toaster and has much different uses than it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.107.206.38 (talk) 04:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Reverted vandalism.[edit]

I reverted obvious vandalism. Britbrat0325 (talk) 17:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I've also edited what I think may have been vandalism. Mongoosander (talk) 02:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Toaster Review[edit]

The Wikipedia page on toasters is adequate. Given the topic, I think there is enough information for the average reader to gain as much knowledge as he or she would want to know about toasters. The article is well written and thoroughly describes the evolution of the toaster as a modern appliance.

The article begins with a very brief and uninformative introduction. “The toaster is typically a small electric kitchen appliance designed to toast multiple types of bread products.” Although Wikipedia provides a link to “toast,” and most people know the basic principle of the toaster, this is not a very good opening sentence. Perhaps substitute this opening for, “the toaster is a kitchen appliance designed to brown and crisp multiple types of bread products”. Though I am being very critical, it is elementary to define a word with itself.

After the introduction, the article progresses into the history of the toaster. The history was broken up into three sections: before the pop-up toaster, advent of the pop-up toaster, and later 20th century and beyond. I found this to be both an accurate and amusing way of defining the “eras” of the toaster. The article does a good job providing specific dates and inventors for each modification. In some cases, this information is supported by patents or scholarly journals. Other times however, the article cites websites like the “cyber toast museum” and blogs. That is not to say that this information is incorrect, it is simply lacking an authoritative source.

Following the history, the article describes a few different types of toasters, indicating their specific designs and functions. The article does a great job describing the somewhat complex technology of toasters on a simplified level, making it easy for any reader to understand. Having said that, most the information in this section is not cited. Although most of the information sounds credible, I am not an expert on toasters and cannot confirm or deny any of the claims made. Furthermore, the article would benefit from more illustrations. Although there are pictures of different toasters through the years, most readers would appreciate a diagram depicting the inner-workings of the toaster as described in the article. The images provided, however, do give the reader an idea of how the toaster has changed cosmetically through the years.

Based on the history of this article there was a significant amount of vandalism in the past. Yet the current article has been edited and seems free of any frivolous contributions. Overall Wikipedia has done a good job in its summary of the toaster. Most encyclopedias would have simply stated the uses of the toaster and how it works. Conversely, Wikipedia describes the evolution of a pre-modern toaster to the household appliance we know today. Additionally, Wikipedia provides links to many inventors, companies, cities, and scientific terms that can provide the reader with even more information. Though a traditional encyclopedia may reference these items, the simplicity and comprehensiveness of Wikipedia makes it a valuable resource.

02:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)HIST406-11Rgreen13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by HIST406-11Rgreen13 (talkcontribs)

First Electric Toaster[edit]

I'm not sure that the attribution or credit for the first electric toaster is accurate. Are there any sources verifying Maddy Kennedy as the inventor? LtPuppyduck (talk) 05:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, [1], [2], [3]. (Also this which I can't link because of the fershluginer spam filter: (ezinearticles DOT com/?Definition-and-Historic-Timeline-of-Toaster-Oven&id=5438438).) Any or all of these could be taking their info from Wikipedia, though (although none seem to be mirrors, at least not of the article in its current form). But this seems to add info that's not in the article, so it perhaps is independently researched. None of these are reliable sources and so can't be used in the article. But it does kind of indicate (not prove) that the Kennedy attribution may be correct. Herostratus (talk) 08:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I think the article has been vandalised?[edit]

All in capitals and dead links everywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.221.245 (talk) 20:43, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Section deletion - toasting after 1940[edit]

Toasting technology after 1940s was deleted, presumably for being entirely unsourced. The content would be great if it were paired with citations. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Dualit[edit]

I added in the "See Also" a ref to Dualit. I do not work for Dualit, I just own one, I have no commmercial interest in Dualit. I just thought it was worth a ref in the see also but no more than that. If you disagree, please take it out. Si Trew (talk) 05:47, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

English muffins[edit]

Just real quickly here: I'm 51, which means for over 40 years I've been toasting stuff, including English muffins cut in half. The first part of the article seems to imply that only in the 2000's were toasters able to handle English muffins cut in half. They have been able to handle them all my life, so the statement should be corrected. Thanks. 71.139.161.36 (talk) 03:14, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Well but we'd need a citation in print or something. Your personal recollection may be true but is not a sufficient ref for article material. As the merits, certainly "back in the day" toasters had thin slots making it somewhat difficult, although still possible, to toast english muffin halves without them getting stuck. I don't know when "back in the day" ended, it may have been around 2000 but it may have been somewhat earlier. Herostratus (talk) 12:26, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Herostratus The muffin claim was made without a citation so I removed it without a citation. More generally, I advocate that information in the lead of Wikipedia articles ought to have citations because too often low-quality information sneaks into the intro. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:59, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
OK. Information in the lede need not (some say should not) be cited there, but be cited where it comes up in the body (and it will, since the lede just summarizes the body). But the only source for the bagel statement says "If you like big, fat bagels from a bakery, look for wider slots". Leaving aside implications that only bagels of a particular size purchased at an actual bakery (rather than from a grocers) are under consideration here, there's no mention of a date. So dunno about any of this. Herostratus (talk) 16:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
English muffins getting stuck in the old thin-slot toasters is definitly a thing, e.g. see here, "Never put a knife into the english muffin stuck in the toaster", and so on. It's just a matter of getting a good ref for this. Herostratus (talk) 22:46, 6 May 2015 (UTC)