Talk:Tom Higgins (rock climber)

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Your article Tom Higgins (rock climber)[edit]

Tom Higgins (rock climber)[edit]

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Tom Higgins (rock climber), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Tom Higgins (rock climber). You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria.

Please see WP:BIO, WP:AUTO, and WP:NOTABILITY for information on how you may be able to add content which would place the article within the notability standards. Please also feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have any questions or need any assistance.

Respectfully, PWdiamond 00:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Re: suggested removal of Tom Higgins (rock climber) page. What specifically would help? Mentions in published histories of rock climbing such as Steve Roper's Camp 4 (Steve has page)? Chris Jones landmark History of Climbing in North America? Or, listing of rock climbing articles published by Tom Higgins in known climbing magazines and climbing journals such as American Alpine Club Journal? That seems to be what may do the job given Wikipedia guidelines you have referenced. Right? Something else too? Maybe reference to the difficulty or notability of the first and first free ascents?

Tom Higgins


-- Hi Tom - First off, as you may have read in WP:AUTO, autobiographies are typically frowned upon, mainly due to the fact that it is inherently difficult to maintain NPOV when writing an article about one's self. This is not to say that your article acts in this way, it is merely a statement of general acceptance in Wikipedia articles.

As to what would help show notability, the "Central criteria for inclusion" for a biographical article are:

    • The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person.

This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, scholarly papers, and television documentaries2 except for the following:

  • Media reprints of the person's autobiography or self-promotional works.
  • Works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that just mention the person in passing, telephone directory listings, or simple records of births and deaths.

In essence, if you are able to move the point of view of the article perhaps more to citing published works, etc., and showing yourself to be the subject of these works, it would be helpful (basically quote these verifiable references and cite them).